Posts by mP

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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.

by mP in

given the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.

like what marcion did.

wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.

mP

ColdSteel

mP: Jesus never went to prison.

COLD:

Really? And when they arrested him, where do you suppose they took him? Where do you think they beat him and tortured him? One great thing about you, mP, is that you’re not afraid to say the first thing that pops into your mind, apparently without giving it much thought.

mP:

Theres a big difference between being placed in custody and prison. When police arrest you today, you are placed in custody not prison. Prison is where you serve your sentence. Jesus was crucified straight after the trial so he never had a prison sentence. However the trial and crucifiction happened in less than a day and all in the matter of hours. The bible doesnt mention prison and it seems that straight after the trial jesus was taken outside Jerusalem and nailed to the cross/tree/whatever.

Of course if im wrong show us the timeline and when he was in prison.

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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.

by mP in

given the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.

like what marcion did.

wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.

mP

vidiot:

exactly its amazing how much they will defend their wishful right to be ruled (badly and cruelly) by authoritarian evil men with raw ambition in their eyes.

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WT - Nisan 14 + the Paschal Full Moon = Babylonian Astronomy

by *lost* in

i stumbled across this today and found it rather interesting.

espescially as there is sometimes controversy over the nisan 14 date.. paschal full moon.. refers to the ecclesiastical full moon of the northern spring to determine the date of easter.

a full moon is a lunar phase that occurs when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.. the moon is in opposition with the sun.. babylonian astronomy.. according to asger asaboe - the origins of western astronomy can be found in mesopotamia and all western efforts in the exact sciences are descendants in direct line from the work of the babylonian astronomers.. chaldeans were the astronomers of mesopotamia, who were, in reality, priest scribes specialising in astronomy and other forms of divination.

mP

Ann

1. You contradicted my (and Phizzy 's) statement that it is astrology JWs are warned about, not astronomy.

mP:

I was showing that the bible and jewish culture is filled with astrology. All my examples are true and when put to gether overwhelming.

Ann

2. You assert that Hannukah is all about the winter solstice and the rebirth of the Sun.

MP:

H is today accepted as the jewish xmas. The lights and candles represent the Sun. The feast of Saturnalia used similar devices. The candles and fire represent the star tof a fire or a new sun.

, also known as the Festival of Lights and Feast of Dedication ,

The hebrew calendar because of its lunar counting is never fixed compared to our solar. However as i demonstrated with the other days, the dates, the holidays is meant to match up with some solstice/equinox. H floats about but its clear the cneter of the floating is xmas the winter solstice.

Are you saying the other dates like passsover are not sun inspired ? I cant help the jewish calendar is awkward.

The jewish religion of today has changed and evolved. They also stopped sacrifices and many other ancient inspired practices.

ANN:

He doesn't take kindly to those who look for spiritual guidance (divination, using other deities) outside of what He has prescribed.

mP:

Not quite, the priests dont like locals going somewhere else and giving along with the payment. Its always about money or power. As i have shown the jewish religion is no different from that of the locals they so passionately hate.

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The Truth about Eve...... is there more to the story, and has it been hidden by religion ?

by *lost* in

i get the feeling that there is more to the eve story than we are aware of.. if we look at the patriachal religions, they are very 'anti-woman'.

is this based on their corruption of the bible story.. .

yes, i think there is more to the story of eve, and our the 'origins' than we think.. father god, mother goddess.. .

mP

@blue

I recall seeing a family tree and Adam died not that long before Noah. Its kinda silly but thats how it works out.

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Pagan symbols on convention stage?

by rebel8 in

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friends

symbolism of columns.

maybe i'm reading into it a bit, but i just found this odd.

of all the things to decorate your holy stage with, and you pick something iconic of temples of an ancient religion and world power that you claim was evil.

mP

well solomons temple was a copy of other local pagan temples. architecture interior decorating etc.

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The Truth about Eve...... is there more to the story, and has it been hidden by religion ?

by *lost* in

i get the feeling that there is more to the eve story than we are aware of.. if we look at the patriachal religions, they are very 'anti-woman'.

is this based on their corruption of the bible story.. .

yes, i think there is more to the story of eve, and our the 'origins' than we think.. father god, mother goddess.. .

mP

lost:

sorry i thought you were cold steel, dont know how that happened. apologies.

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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.

by mP in

given the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.

like what marcion did.

wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.

mP

Cold:

Jesus wasn’t a radical; he was about serving one’s fellow man and forgiving him. Under the Law of Moses, the animals, birds and, of course, the poor also were cared for.

mP:

You mean like the law to wipe the amelkites or the other law about selling slaves. The tex tis dishonest because it fails to mention the cruetlies the bible allows for non jewish slaves. jewish slaves were protected to some extent by different laws.

please dont tell me what others have said point to the bible itself. we dont need others to gloss over what we can read from the bible itself.

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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.

by mP in

given the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.

like what marcion did.

wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.

mP

Cold:

And though early Christians were forbidden to own slaves, Jesus preached against rebellion and to strive for peace.

mP: What scripture shows this ? You are actually wrong, because Paul in Philemon tells the run away slave( sorry cant recall his name, its starts with O) to return to his master. P never condemns the master etc. You have just made that statement up.

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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.

by mP in

given the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.

like what marcion did.

wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.

mP

Cold:

You’re absolutely correct that Jesus did not speak out against social injustices. That was not his mission. He was sent into the world to do the will of the Father and to die for the sins of the world, bringing about the great atonement. (See Isa. 53)

mP:

SO why does Jesus tell us to be obedient slavs and pay our taxes on multiple occassions ? Why is he so concerned that Rome gets its money and has its slaves ?

Isa 53 does not identify jesus.

53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

mP:

jesus never went to prison.

53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

mP:

Jesus spoke at his trial. One famous example being when he was asked is he the king of the jews and he replied you said it etc. Another fail.

The other scriptures never mention his name, title, or anything prophecy anything that he would do. i wont comment about dying for our sins, because i have already shown major portions of the text are a mismatch.

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Why do Jesus lovers accept the OT as god given.

by mP in

given the ot has a lot of cruelties, hatred and so on, surely the fact these attributes, saying and actions far outweigh the supposed love of jesus why dont they say its all fake and throw it out ?.

like what marcion did.

wouldnt it be easier to simply delete the ot and move on ?.

mP

mP: Cold: Don’t forget to show the math and show us how this is humanly possible.

Cold

First of all, I don’t know how many Israelites left Egypt. The numbers used in the scriptures aren’t always that reliable; however, I don’t see that moving three million people would be completely unmanageable.

mP:

I wasnt referring to whether 3 million leaving was a possibility, i was showing that it is impossible for jacobs family of 70 to become 3 million in just four generations or 200 years. I have given scriptures to back this. its there in b&white.