Would be funny if someone suggested the internet as a medium before the meetting and was DF and then the meeting that followed made the announcement. What does one do about the DF ?
Posts by mP
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15Great fun about new magazine simplyfying
by Gorbatchov inyesterday i read about the new watchtower & awake magazine simplyfying (15 pages) on jwd and i got a very big big simle at my face.
(yes, the face is big also...).
because: the simplyfying is based on a new strategy: using internet (jw.org) for distributing the magazine content.. the big smile came from this: at a recent co visit, the co told the congretation the following: "everyone of us who suggests that our magazines and litterature has to be distributed by internet is a potential apostate and against the will of jehovah.
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Great fun about new magazine simplyfying
by Gorbatchov inyesterday i read about the new watchtower & awake magazine simplyfying (15 pages) on jwd and i got a very big big simle at my face.
(yes, the face is big also...).
because: the simplyfying is based on a new strategy: using internet (jw.org) for distributing the magazine content.. the big smile came from this: at a recent co visit, the co told the congretation the following: "everyone of us who suggests that our magazines and litterature has to be distributed by internet is a potential apostate and against the will of jehovah.
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mP
Would be funny if someone suggested the internet as a medium before the meetting and was DF and then the meeting that followed made the announcement. What does one do about the DF ?
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Bart Ehrman...Jesus Existed
by XJW4EVR inwhen the uber-liberal, agnostic bart ehrman says it...it must be true.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/did-jesus-exist_b_1349544.html.
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mP
ROB
Your suggestion that maybe the papyrus is not referring to Jesus is childish. I won't continue with this. If you are generally interested in the topic of historical manuscripts I suggest you read a book on Palaeography.
MP
Lets be fair no where in the text that you have highlighted does the name Jesus or Son of God appear. Most of the words are general every day words like "the", "of" etc. You only know those words are a part of John because someone else has done the hard work and identifed the exact location. By itself the text says very little that is understandable. That papyrus is only the start it is not evidence that the entire NT story has remained constant.
the Jews, "For us it is not permitted to kill
anyone," so that the w ord of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he sp-
oke signifyin g what kind of death he was going to
die. En tered therefore again into the Praeto-
rium P ilate and summoned Jesus
and sai d to him, "Thou art king of the
Jews?"The text only has the words "the Jews, For us, anyone, so that, signifying, die, and said", withoput the cheating can you honestly get anything out of that text ?
If God really had a message to convey to us he did a terrible job preserving its contents. Other peoples like the Assyrians managed to record their thoughts and the clay tablets have lassted 3000+ years. Its a shame God didnt have the brains to realise his message would get lost and we would need to gather scraps or fragments and recreate the text in a giant puzzlegame.
Remember this is the word of God surely he is special and should know how to preserve his valuable word. Its as simple as that. Only a fool would write with chalk a message to last thousands of years, knowing what rain does to chalk. The same is true of God he should have known that scrolls and papyrus decays and breaks up. The details of why these materials breakup is not important, God being all wise should know that this happens and he should also have predicted the future actions of man and taken that into account when his strategy to spread his word was started.
If you presented that papyrus as proof that a contract to a solicitor you would be laughed at.
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Will Embracing the Internet lead to Increased Growth for the Watchtower?
by jwfacts inmore important than the reduction in the size of the new magazine is that the watchtower will be actively promoting its website and encouraging people use it to download magazines.
my concern is that this has the potential to lead to an increase in growth for the watchtower.. the door-to-door preaching work has been one of the most inefficient means imaginable to gain converts, and done little more than tie up the time of active jws.
now, by directing people to the internet, witnesses can spread their message at an alarming rate for little cost.. do you feel that this has the potential to lead to a surge in growth of jehovah's witnesses?
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mP
Religion is dying, i dont think anyone would join a different or new religion because they believe, they go for a sense of community first and foremost. My comments apply only for western countries in other places like the Middle East, and so on, you dont even get a choice.
Why would anybody join the JW today, its not a fun place and there are lot of dumb rules that are a pain in the arse. Anyone looking on the internet will also notice that the JW lie about their past and that their extraordinary claims and research are mostly wrong. Im guessing that other people know other religions do make mistakes but at least they accept their mistakes because that religion and its leaders are more humble and dont pretend to be literally speaking the message straight from God. They accept their religion as trying to teach you good and thats good enuff for them..
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Do demons really exist?
by Inisc ini mean, is there really any scientific evidence to support their existence?.
is it used as a scare tactic of thewts?.
and i suppose if one doesn't believe in god, a belief in satan and demons and angels for that matter would be contradictory... im not sure what i believe now but would love to hear everyone's thoughts..
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mP
Of course they exist, they cause illness and disease, after all the Bible and Jesus tell us this many times. The fact that illness is often causes by minute germs is never alluded too, the person is only cursed because they did something wrong and the daemon entered them.
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Discussion with my dad about 607 in a week,,,,help?
by stillstuckcruz inso to make a long story short, my family found out about my "apostacy"(i couldn't take it anymore) and now everything is all in shambles.
they still feel there is "hope" for me.
(ha!).
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mP
There are youtube videos that show from WTS publications starting from the return to Jerusalem and then subtracting the years of reign for each king of Babylon gives the year of destructionat 587/6.
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satan v jehovah
by Aussie Oz inthinking about these two characters you know.... the bible tells us what jehovah says satan is about and wants to do.. it also tells us what jehovah says he (jehovah) will do and his actions of what he has done.. the bible tells us of all the murder and mayhem cause by the israelites as they genocided their way through the middle east.. and who told them do this these evil deeds?.
and why hasn't satan appeared on the late show to say..."you know guys, iv'e had a bad rap over the years so i thought i'd pop in and tell my side of the story".... oz.
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mP
Actually Satan is only responsible for 10 deaths in the BIble while Jehovah demands and actively kills millions in the Bible.
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Bart Ehrman...Jesus Existed
by XJW4EVR inwhen the uber-liberal, agnostic bart ehrman says it...it must be true.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/did-jesus-exist_b_1349544.html.
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@ROB
Go look at the last chapter of Mark, 16 the verses with the resurrection. Even the NWT admits these are an addition. To think without this insertion there is no ressurrection no ascension, what was Mark thinking to simply forget these major events ?
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Bart Ehrman...Jesus Existed
by XJW4EVR inwhen the uber-liberal, agnostic bart ehrman says it...it must be true.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/did-jesus-exist_b_1349544.html.
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mP
@Rob
Your very translations show just how little the Rylands fragment tells. We can tell when the remainder or 99.9% of the NT was written or what it had. That fragment can only be proof for what amounts to ten odd words in John. . The text in the fragment only has ten words and can only be used to verify the same ten words in John, nothing more and nothing less. We cant use those few characters to then authenticate or verify the entire bible passage. This is but a tiny fraction of the entire text.
The text also does not say Jesus, it could well be talking about someone else. There are stories of many messiahs about that time in text such as nag hammadi and dead sea scrolls. Theres a reason why xians never hear about these scroolls, simply because they are very much the same with twists that are incompatible with what xians have accepted.
Lastly your quote if the text is date from 125, that is 2nd century authorship. I know about the range of 25ish years variation but thee earliest possible dating is 100 or it coluld also equally be 150. 125 is nearly a hundred years after jesus death...given John must have been around jesus age he would have been over a hundred years old. To claim that an apostle wrote the story is very decietful. There is no way an old man 120ish years old wrote that book. Its just absurd that John waited until he was 120.
- What if he died before this time ?
-Why would someone wait until 120 to tell the greatest story ever for posterity ?
In all reality this sort of witnessing doesnt sound very well planned.
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How can I be "COOL" on JWN?
by Silent_Scream inwhat are the unwritten rules and standards that make some people here cool, others not.. saying "just be yourself" is a lie!
i see many people being themselves who start an interesting thread and have 6 comments (5 being their own), while others post "cheeseburgers" and the thread last for days.
lol.. .
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mP
Agree with Lars.