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  Why did the JW's Shun my mother at her funeral?

  by DaveNwisconsin in

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  2. experiences

  my mom had died on december 9, 2005. she had been loyal to that religion for 35 years.

  she had been in a nursing home for the last two years.

  some of the old ladies would come and mom would still write a letter to a "not at home" once and awhile.

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  proandcon

  Dave...sorry to hear of the loss of your mom...re the JW's you work with...I would definitely ask them why they didn't take the time to show at her funeral...JW's are told to and believe they profess to show love to all...where's the love here?

  ask them specifically why they couldn't show any love to even attend her funeral. You might just embarass one to rethink his JW position and begin to fade himself. Many JW rank and file have a "herd mentality"...rarely will any one JW think for himself and do what truly is the right, caring and loving thing to do...very, very sad.

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  THINGS YOU WON'T HEAR A BETHELITE SAY

  by What-A-Coincidence in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  (sorry if this was already posted).

  no, no, let me pick up the check, mom.. i think there should be more acronyms used at bethel.. i will have to remember to donate for those 42 yearbooks i sent out to my friends.. i am going to sit in the second row at the family study so my friends can see me on tv!.

  i really enjoyed all the juggling in that last family night.. that watchman duty sure allows me to learn my way around bethel.. what's gleaning?.

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  Sure brother no problem, I'll do all the plumbing in your new bathroom addition for free...I'm not suppossed to take any money when I lovingly help the friends...
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  They Tell The Elders One Thing And The Others Something Else!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the organization is so deceitful that they will tell the watchtower readers that the elders should deal mercifully with wrongdoers but in private letters or correspondence thru the circuit overseers, they will tell the elders not to allow "leaven" within their midst.

  they say it's better to disfellowship and see whether someone's truly repentant afterwards rather than taking a chance to contaminate the congregation.......another example of their being two-faced is that they will tell the brotherhood not to buy homes, cars, vacations, etc.

  unnecessarily as it could signal materialism, yet the watchtower society spends more money on real estate than we could ever possibly imagine but it's ok for them..........can you think of other things that show that the organization is hypocritical??

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  "Sacred Service"...rank and file think it means going in field service...wrong...WTS has its own "flexible" definition which they confidentially apply to just about anything or anyone if they want to and if your "in"...eg sacred service for some can include: temping at bethel (with a special skill eg nurse or engineer); int'l construction work; "quick build KH construction, etc...only a very selective few are "allowed " to consider their activity here as "sacred service"...the key then is they can "count the time" as if they were in FS...most in these activities were not "qualified or selected to get there efforts deemed as "sacred service"...others were (and were told to keep real quiet about it)...I lived near the Farm and saw a number of instances of this application toward a favored few...real bias...WT (and the elders) says ministry is the most important activity -- unless they need you to do some other task for them first...then their version of "sacred service" supersedes what they tell everyone else...
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  What would you want Madzay to make for ex-JWs?

  by AuldSoul in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just thinking about all the crap madzay makes for jws, and i think it would be very good to have some of those scripture greeting cards they have for writing to jws.

  just with different scriptures than they use now.. what do you think?

  could we get some madzay stuff that would help wake up jws?

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  good question ...how about a deck of cards with thought provoking questions ...such as..

  - has the WTS ever been a member of the UN?

  - would Jesus understand the WTS blood policy?

  - where in the bible does it say you you report any time?

  - what is the main attributes of a cult?

  - etc, etc...may put questions in their heads ...questions could lead to real answers later...
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  Elders' School

  by Cellist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was reading sir82's thread on the recent elders' school and he mentioned them learning how to use the index in the new od book.

  does anyone remember the elders' school in 1986 or 87 (i think) where the whole two days was spent learning how to use the new "watchtower publications index 1930 - 1985".

  at that time i had the same reaction as sir82 just had .... duh!

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  I attended the elder's training school in 1986 or 1987. It was held at the Monroe NY assembly hall...Many bethelites and WT Farm "heavies" were in attendance. Most of the congregations in the WTF (LOL) area had many elders...about 1600 in attendance...I remember Don Adams from Brooklyn making the point ad nauseum that we all had an obligation to give the householders the opportunity to contribute for the literature so Jah could truly see his heart condition.(by supporting the F&D slave)..a real stretch...- maybe you catch a break at the big A if you've slipped a $20 to a bookseller?? he had a scripture to back him up though- forget what it was though...not important...most of it went way over people's heads...made little sense at all...I was a new elder then...always got a kick out of the parts about loose conduct etc...these old coots really got off on it for sure...it was the only highlight...sure would've been better with live demos...
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  Public Speaker-No call no show

  by gringojj in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife went to a meeting today and a funny thing happened.

  the public speaker from out of town did not show up!

  so instead of ad-libbing for an hour they just ended the meeting an hour early!

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  If I remember correctly, WT protocol says that that day's chairman should be prepared to give the PT if there's a no show...I was the PT coordinator in our cong...not the easiest job...lots of incompentent and unorganized PT coordinators around...we would call the brother who was to give the talk the week he was to give it...if we couldn't contact him for some reason, we were prepared to have someone cover...either I or two other brothers were prepared to give the talks at the last minute as we would have talk outlines and notes with us just in case...we were kinda organized in that way...nonetheless...I and most everyone in the cong would much have preferred to leave an hour early...
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  Daytona Beach?

  by Dimples in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wondering, anyone, including lurkers from the daytona beach area?

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  Dimples...I have a vacation home in Daytona Beach...I'll be down there mid Dec thru Jan...off Beville Rd...in Pelican Bay...Proandcon
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  WHAT ARE SOME TITLES YOU COULD SEE IN THE WT?

  by stillAwitness in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  titles you could see in a wt/awake magazine:

  1. candy-can it detract us from true worship?

  2. rape victims-you are now allowed to scream again!

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  Question from readers..."Could the 'stones cry out' better than Witnesses do in the preaching work?"

  If the authorities were arresting all 'true christians', would they arrest you?

  Do you believe everthing you hear?

  Have you picked out your house for the new system?

  Would you be afraid to play with a Lion?

  How can Jehovah of armies be a loving God?
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  After 9 days of rain, it finally stopped! Anyone had flooding problems?

  by hubert in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we are not used to this, here in the northeast.

  friday evening, i checked out the cellar for any water coming in, and it was dry, so i went back on the computer.

  about midnight, i decided to hit the sack, so i shut off the computer, turned around, and stepped into water !!

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  proandcon

  Hubert...it's been raining here in NE Mass for several days now...so far, I'm lucky (can I say that?)...just some light dampness so far inmy unfinished basement...keeping a close eye on ot though as we have had some water problems in the past...I know what it's like to be tired and sore from bailing water...now the rain has stopped for the time being anyway...hope the worst of your problem is over.
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  JW's and Divorce

  by Dimples in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wow, seems like lots of jw's are getting divorced these days.

  since i left the jw's 51/2 years ago i know of at least 5 couples that attended the congregation that i went to, who are now divorced.

  is this getting more common where you are?

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  proandcon

  Dimples...here in Mass. all 4 congregations in my area have their share of divorces (more than 2-3 per)...some have hooked up with others on the internet and split the area...others have quietly found another one to be with (often another elder,pioneer or MS), got "found out", got df'd or publicly reproved, received a "scriptural divorce" from the offended spouse and then remarried...JW's really have the divorce steps down pat...it's pretty rampant and I agree it's far more than even 7-10 years ago. People seem to be far more restless and bored. They need to generate some excitement in their lives irrespective of what they've "learned" (heard a million times) or how their actions may hurt another. Love, humility, trust, respect...forget it...these qualities are not even illusions for these ones...

  Yet...the very ones who play the rules will ignore you a non - meeting attender in a NY minute...