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escapefromwatchtower.com site

by sf in

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hi peeps,.

i can't believe i've not happened upon this site before:> .

http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/.

New H20 was just announced

by Kismet in

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the forum director posted this to the coolboard h2o site and thought many here might want to get this new url (at bottom of post).

(note: i cross posted this to the jw news section as well).

kismet.

professor

Perhaps there is a need for reformers of H20 just like H20 claims to be reforming the JW's! Or maybe everyone is okay just posting here.

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A poll for long time observers

by Skimmer in

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here is a little poll for you.

the following is a lit of my predictions for changes for the wtbts and is presented in no particular order.

the idea here is to see if there is some kind of concensus concerning in what order the changes will occur.

professor

I had a lot of fun with this. Thanks Skimmer.

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JW's a sect? Comments Please. WARNING-LONG

by lookingnow22 in

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first off, i want to say that i am very grateful for this place where i can speak whatevers on my mind.

ive often been amazed at the role that the wtbts & gb put themselves into, all the while claiming that they are not promoting their own standards, and understandings.

heres just a little research ive done lately on what it means to be a sect.

professor

This article is a great resource on how several sects, including the JW's sprung from the 2nd adventist movement via C.T. Russell:

* http://www.premier1.net/~raines/offshoot.html

It's great reading!

(senior member wahoo)

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A poll for long time observers

by Skimmer in

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here is a little poll for you.

the following is a lit of my predictions for changes for the wtbts and is presented in no particular order.

the idea here is to see if there is some kind of concensus concerning in what order the changes will occur.

1. Dropping or otherwise radically changing the 607BC/1914AD doctrine.
have done several times from "oops we forgot there's no zero year" to most recent new understanding of a generation or "oops all those people are passed away"

2. Dropping or otherwise radically changing the 1935 date of the "sealing" of the anointed.
nahh- there's always the earthly hope

3. Allowing blood transfusions as a "conscience mattter".
according to what they tell the media or in reality?

4. Dropping or otherwise radically changing the entire "anointed"/144,000/partaking doctrine.
nahh- they'll just be a whole lot of wine and unleavened bread passed around that no one will ever eat or drink. Perhaps in the future just a photograph of a glass of wine and a plate of bread could be passed to avoid waste!

5. Allowing non-anointed to serve on the governing body.
no but the governing body will probably speak from the spirit world to specially appointed "other sheep".

6. Dropping or otherwise radically making more liberal the disfellowship/shunning doctrine.
nahh - you can't run a good cult without this stuff

7. Allowing some interfaith activities as a "conscience matter".
No way! Get out of that dirty whore my people!

8. Starting some real charitable programs.
What for?

9. Eliminating field service reporting.
But then how would we know if we put in enough hours to earn our free gift of salvation?

10. Provide their own Internet service or browser software so that they can filter information to the rank and file.
That would only encourage more people to use the evil Internet!

11. Have at least five consecutive years of decreasing worldwide membership counts.
Not as long as there are still 60 minutes in each hour for a sucker to be born.

12. Start their own offical college/university with a serious attempt at accreditation.
No its better to keep 'em uneducated and stupid.

13. Stop the open publication of detailed statisitics.
There'll always be a way to make the stats look good.

14. Hire out surplus printing capacity to other organizations.
Maybe they could also print Catholic Digest

15. Starting their own radio station or network.
been there done that

16. Starting their own cable TV program or channel.
Or streaming video content on their website via Realplayer

17. Starting their own direct mail advertising/soliciting program.
its called the Watchtower and Awake!

18. Starting their own telemarketing advertising/soliciting program.
* http://detnews.com/1999/religion/9908/05/08050165.htm

19. Publish a successor to the _Proclaimers_ book with a complete history presented in chronological order and told with candor and honesty.
Candor and honesty? Don't you remember who we're talking about?

20. Drop or otherwise radically change the doctrine that all other religions are run by Satan.
Again: That filthy harlot is going down! Get out!

21. Start passing a collection plate at meetings.
Yeah they can switch off with the guys who carry the mikes.

22. Membership drop to half (three million) of the current count.
That's still more than 144,000

23. Make available nearly all literature in electronic format.
nahh.. we don't want them apostates to be sharing it on that gosh darn Internet.

24. Formal supported organization of youth activities (dances, camping trips, sports, etc).
Who do you think we are? The YMCA?

25. Allow military service as a "conscience matter."
Only if you shoot members of that disgusting vile prostitute, Babylon the Great!

26. Allow flag salute or standing up for a national anthem as a "conscience matter."
If you can forge a voting card, why not? We'll just be secretly sitting down and not saluting in our minds. That'll show 'em!

27. Elimination of nearly all judical activity.
Who would keep a stranglehold on the flock then?

28. Cooperation with third party "do not call" registries.
That's part of man's law that ours supercedes!

29. Dropping secret files at the congregation level.
How will we be able to remember 10 years from now that brother Johnson had that problem with masturbation?

30. Dropping secret files at the branch level.
We'll burn 'em if they are ever subpoenaed!

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Will You Make Room for Pioneering?

by TMS in

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regardless of scriptural implications, creating special categories of service such as colporteur, pioneer, special pioneer, etc.

was a brilliant move.. the prestige, status and few little perks associated with those committing to being full-time workers is miniscule compensation for their sacrifice of time, lifestyle, income and educational opportunities.. yes, the hour requirements have dropped on several occasions.

how many on the board know that the regular pioneer requirement was once 150 hours a month, then 1200 hours a year, than 1000, now 90-vacation/assembly time?.

professor

Just think: discouraged from persuing an education, encouraged to view titles as highly esteemed instead of income....

No wonder the average JW family lives at the poverty level!

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Newbie saying hello and glad to be here

by Calico_Cat in

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hello, i've been lurking the board for quite sometime now and i have also read crisis of conscience.

my hubby and i stopped attending the meetings since december and had our first christmas in 6 years.

it was fun although the feelings of guilt are still within us.. we've been visited by the elders twice but we managed to keep them at bay.

professor

Welcome!

About the guilt - it is the JW's most powerful tool. It will pass.

About Fred and Y/K: Maybe you should read their posts too for a good laugh!

-professor

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You Know- Who are the real apostates?

by professor in

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however, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you.

these very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.

furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.

professor

However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. Also, with covetousness they will exploit you with counterfeit words. But as for them, the judgement from of old is not moving slowly, and the destruction of them is not slumbering. -2 Peter 2:1-3 NWT

Who does this sound like?

"However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you."

This passage speaks the clearest message. Is it not the Watctower Society that has put forth countless false prophesies while claiming to be the mouthpeice of God?

"These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects"

C. T. Russell, his Bible Students, Russellites, Millenial Dawners, J. F. Rutherford and his Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. etc.

"and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves."

Jesus Christ, who bought our salvation with His life, is demoted to Michael the Archangel.

"Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively."

Millions of JW's knocking on our doors on Satuday morning.

"Also, with covetousness they will exploit you with counterfeit words."

Words like "new light", "Jehovah's earthly organization", "the truth", "Jehovah's mouthpeice", and all the bogus JW double-talk and false justification of their false prophesies and bloodguilt.

"But as for them, the judgement from of old is not moving slowly, and the destruction of them is not slumbering."

Something to anticipate.

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