The only thing that will stop the terrorists is to drop a major bomb on Mecca right at Haj or whatever they call it. Then they will understand that Allah can't help them.
Invading Iraq was supposed to make us all sleep better?
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Threat Level AGAIN raised in US
by Shakita inthe terrorist threat level is now back to orange (high) again.. what do we do this time?
last time we were told to go out and buy duct tape and disaster supplies.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a15503-2003may20.html?nav=hptop_tb.
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What is Truth?
by Victor_E inreading a couple of threads in relation to the work im doing got me to ask the question.
what is truth?
i had a lawyer this weekend in one of my workshops that could not accept the concept of relative truth.
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proplog2
We go from thesis to antithesis to synthesis but the destination is "absolute".
This doesn't mean that things are either "true" or "false". It's a matter of degrees.
I don't glorify mystics the way Peck does. Obviously Peck thinks of himself as a mystical thinker. The "whole" is pretty much the same as nothing. If all our knowledge is "holistic" we don't know anything.
Every genius has his blind spot.
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Self confidence
by joelbear inanyone who has read my history of posts knows that one of my struggles is trying to find and build self confidence.. what is it about being a jw that can tear down someone's self confidence?.
i'm a smart guy.
i have a 4.0 gpa.
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proplog2
I was just thinking about you the other day Joel. Along with Amazing, Cygnus, Morloc, even YouKnow.
"Self-Confidence" is another semantic screen on which you project all sorts of meaning.
I think "self-acceptance" is a more adequate goal.
I like the scripture that says don't put your trust in earthling man. I would say that includes yourself. I would probably say the same would apply to some imagined "spirit" person. Don't put your confidence in God either.
Nothing is so predictable that you can have absolute confidence in it.
People who appear "self-confident" are experiencing an unsual streak of Good Luck. They mistake good-luck for their own abilities. Granted, a lucky streak may give a person that extra oooomph to make certain things happen but Old age, disease, accidents, etc. can turn mighty "self-confidence" into "self-pity".
It would have been interesting to read Alexander the Greats memoirs if he lived to the ripe old age of 90.
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About the Flag or National Anthem
by pr_capone ini promise that i am not turning into the next minimus with all the damn questions but this is something i have been thinking quite a bit about lately.. as i grew up in the troof... i almost despised it.
what it "stood for".
and the fact that people would "worship" it.
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proplog2
I think the constitution is an enlightened document. I don't like the American Flag from an aesthetic standpoint. It has become pop art like Campbell Soup Cans.
I think the words of the American National Anthem are a great love song to a nation. And it realistically leaves room to question How long can the USA remain and how long will that banner wave over a free people. It is a reminder that nothing lasts forever.
I am not patriotic. But I have no desire to live anywhere else on the planet.
I still think flag worship is juvenile and the Pledge of Allegiance a bad experiement in brain washing (originated by a socialist).
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Islam's Hour of Judgement
by metatron incountries, governments, and social systems all can encounter a special time of judgement - a unique moment in history.
when they must face reality and survive - or wither away as another of humanity's dead ends.. the muslim world has entered such a time.
they must progress or face a destruction of their own making.. i'm shocked at how few people actually appreciate the danger that 9-11 exposed.
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Met:
If I tell you that Russia still has nukes aimed at the USA and will use them - would you say that's impossible?
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White Stripes
by clash_city_rockers inso far for album of the year 2003 is the white stripes "elephant".
using vintage instaments and laying them down on an old 8 track give this album an old school flavor.
with the energy of the buzzcocks with an instamental sound of vintage stones
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I'm 58 and I find their sound very appealing. Does that doom them? Or does that mean they are going to be B-I-G
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Islam's Hour of Judgement
by metatron incountries, governments, and social systems all can encounter a special time of judgement - a unique moment in history.
when they must face reality and survive - or wither away as another of humanity's dead ends.. the muslim world has entered such a time.
they must progress or face a destruction of their own making.. i'm shocked at how few people actually appreciate the danger that 9-11 exposed.
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You don't get it Met. Humans are doomed if left to themselves. There is a difference between optimism and faith. All organisms have sensory systems that facilitate a degree of optimism - sensory systems scan the environment with the intention of discovering something useful. Faith is unique to humans - and is often non-sensory - nonsense - blind.
Unless there is a power external to man that can rescue us we are indeed doomed.
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Russia - Still King of the North
by proplog2 inwhen the berlin wall came down, even before the offical dissolution of the soviet union, the watchtower was quick to back away from the idea that russia was the king of the north.
nothing really changed.
true, there is an appearance of friendship and cooperation between russia and the us but russia is the one country that can totally destroy the usa.
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Hamas:
I haven't gotten a response back from you. Hopefully you can see that if Daniel is some sort of relevant prophecy there isn't room for one more empire than we have right now. If China finally becomes the world's hegemon that would invalidate the book of Daniel.
Are you a practicing Moslem?
If you are can you connect me to any links dealing with prophecies in the Koran>
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Russia - Still King of the North
by proplog2 inwhen the berlin wall came down, even before the offical dissolution of the soviet union, the watchtower was quick to back away from the idea that russia was the king of the north.
nothing really changed.
true, there is an appearance of friendship and cooperation between russia and the us but russia is the one country that can totally destroy the usa.
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Hamas:
I still believe in Bible Prophecy. The reason for this would take too much explaining. Part of the explanation calls into question who is REALLY doing the predicting, for what purpose and the nature of the universe.
The bible has no dates, so it is impossible to match up a King of the North to any country. _Hammas
As to the matter of time and prophecy. Time is the measurement of a sequence of events. Our minds are much better at remembering the sequence of events than the actual date and time of an event. The modern concept of time with exact calendars and watches is overkill for most of us.
The book of Daniel describes a sequence of world powers that extend from his day until the supposed "end". In the Dream Image you have a sequence of 5 kingdoms. That doesn't allow for a lot of room for speculation.
Babylon as represented by Nebuchadnezzar was the HEAD OF GOLD. So that's the starting point.
Persia conquered Babylon and became the BREAST AND ARMS OF SILVER
Greece conquered Persia and became the BELLY AND THIGHS OF COPPER. This is qualified by the description that it would rule over the whole earth (in a relative sense).
Rome conquered Greece and became the LEGS OF IRON.
It is at the point where the FEET OF CLAY & IRON need to be identified that the Watchtower makes a serious mistake.
Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy page 59 paragraph 27 The (b) question for that paragraph is
"What is pictured by the ten toes of the image?"
The answer?
"The ten toes of the image represent all such coexisting powers and governments, for in the Bible the number ten at times signifies earthly completeness"
Why are they hung up with the 10 toes? If you read the 2nd chapter of Daniel the word "ten" doesn't even appear. If the number 10 were really significant don't you think it would have been mentioned? In fact "number" is also lacking in reference to arms and legs. This is NOT an interpretation that is driven by Holy Spirit. It is a hodge-podge of mystical numerological ideas that lead Jehovah's Witnesses astray. The idea that the feet suddenly represent "kingdoms" (special emphasis is placed on plurality) is total fabrication. The head represented one kingdom -Babylon. Next Dan. 2:39 says "after you there will rise another kingdom (singular) ... and another kingdom (singular) a third one of copper.. Dan 2:40 says "And as for the fourth kingdom (again singular).
So then is there a change in this pattern when the fifth part of this image is described?
Dan 2:41 says the "kingdom (singular) will prove to be divided....the kingdom (singular) will partly prove to be strong..." Finally, kings (plural) are mentioned in Daniel 2:44 when it speaks of the whole image being knocked down and crushed. "It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms (plural). Some may be tempted to say that this is referring to the 10 kingdom/toes, however verse 45 repeats the symbolic metals of the image indicating that the plurality is referring to the image as a whole. Clearly the clay/iron does not represent "many" kingdoms and certainly not "all" the kingdoms of the earth. There is nothing to indicate that the feet and toes are anything but a singular kingdom that has as one of its characteristics that it is loosely held together. Therefore the statement by the Watchtower that "the ten toes of the image represent all such coexisting powers and governments" based on the idea that "in the Bible the number ten at times signifies earthly completeness" is absolutely false. Although the number 10 may at "TIMES" represent "EARTHLY COMPLETENESS" they fail to show how the feet of the image necessarily represents one of those "times".
But, now back to a consideration of this fith & final part of the image and what "kingdom" the feet might represent.
Clearly the feet and toes represent the final world power on earth. In Daniel Chapter 11 the final power on earth is the King Of the North. The King of the South is not mentioned again after the King of the North storms against the King of the South in reaction to being pushed. In Revelation the final head of the Chapter 13 beast is wounded, revives, and destroys Babylon the Great. This revived wild beast is hurled alive into the lake of fire. We can sum up the characteristics of the final power on earth as follows.
1. It will prove to be partly strong like iron and partly weak like moist clay. It will not prove to be sticking together this one to that one because they will lack homogeneity due to being mixed with the offspring of mankind.
2. It will achieve its power over the whole earth after it recovers from what appears as a death-blow. After it revives people will wonder admiringly at its ability to still do battle.
3. It is significantly a NORTHERN kingdom.
Does this not describe Russia? Is it just a coincidence that Russia the largest country in the world, with three-quarters of its land mass north of the 50th parallel should also be described with the following words:
"Within one week's time, in the summer of 1991, the 74-year-old Union of Soviet Socialist Republics became a finished part of history." _ Comptons On-Line Encyclopedia
What about the clay & iron feature of the final empire? Does that fit USSR/RUSSIA? We can look again to the Compton's On-Line Encyclopedia for a description of Russia's so-called "Nationalities Problem".
"In an age of nationalism every nationality aspires to independent statehood. The non-Russian peoples were appeased with a hierarchy of administrative units. Fifteen were granted a soviet socialist republic status that, according to the constitution, most resembled that of a sovereign nation-state. Twenty others possessed the status of an autonomous soviet socialist republic, which provided some cultural autonomy. Still others were recognized as autonomous oblasts or autonomous okrugs, designations that meant little beyond an official acknowledgement of ethnic identity... The government became less and less ethnically representative as a result of the slow demographic growth of the ethnic Russians and the rapid growth of the other ethnic groups, especially the Muslim groups in Central Asia and elsewhere."
Once you sweep away Watchtower misunderstandings you end up with an explanation that is eerily coherent. So you see the prophecy of Daniel can't just go on & on endlessly. There are 5 and only 5 kingdoms that follow in sequence until you reach the time of the end.
I have writen more prophecy stuff at http://members.aol.com/proplog2/page1.htm
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You Won't Find A Spiritual Paradise Here
by minimus ini remember so many witnesses looking at a congregation with the view of finding their spiritual paradise.
they figured that if it wasn't in this congregation, it had to be in the next one.
funny thing is, those people never found it!
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proplog2
I think this is a VIRTUAL paradise