Posts by proplog2

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Thoughts on The KM Blood insert

by The Lone Ranger in

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hello people, i live in australia so maybe this is old news to you guys who live in the usa, but in the australian nov km its has an insert regarding blood, maybe you usa guys got it on oct, but it seems to me that they are watering down the blood issue,.

for the first time they are letting the reader ask themselves the question about how their conscience would feel regarding taking blood, this has never being the case before, theyve always said a christian would not do thisa christian would not do that.

im sure you guys have read the insert, any views????

proplog2

I still can't figure out why you absolutely can't take blood COMPONENTS while taking blood FRACTIONS is OK.

The KM argument is that SINCE the bible doesn't say anything about "blood fractions" THEREFORE it is a conscience matter.

BUT, does the Bible say anything about BLOOD COMPONENTS? The Bible writers didn't know anything about blood components. Blood was simply blood.

My prediction is that this is an intermediate step in the "new light" gimmick/process.

In another year or two they will say you CAN take blood components. Only whole blood will be forbidden because that's the only blood the Bible writers understood.

By then they are hoping that either Armageddon will come or that science will have come up with a good synthetic product.

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Sorry, I need to vent for a moment...

by Abandoned in

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normally, i don't mind where i'm at in my life.

i'm forty, no kids, low-paying job, live in a trailer court, etc (and trust me there's more to the etc, then i've already mentioned), but today i had a hard time.. one of my best friends from high school was a big dope head (no offense to the dope heads out there).

he showed up nearly every day to our first period art class smelling of weed and was generally so whacked out of his mind that he got horrible grades.. he finally graduated - barely - and made it to college.

proplog2

Be happy you discovered all of this when you have more than half your life left.

You can do amzaing things in a couple years. The groundwork for successful living usually takes a few months of concerted effort. You've probably have done most of the work already. Just need follow through.

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Should Uninvited D to D Work of Jehovah's Witnesses be against the Law?

by frankiespeakin in

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i agree that everyone should have the right to practice thier own religion, as long as it doesn't interfere with another person right to privacy and right to not be harassed in their own home by those who feel they have the better religion.. the door to door work of jws is harassment, when you consider that they call for the most part in the morning, univited to talk about why there religion is the right one and often have very bad things to say about other belief systems, which has the potential of disturbing the peace.

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proplog2

At various times congregations have been asked to show hands on method they learned the "truth":

Relative

Friend

Co-Worker

Casual acquaintance

Door-to-door

Very few learn about JW's through Door-to-door.

If they couldn't go from door to door it would give them more time to use other more effective means of getting converts.

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Jehovah`s Witness`s Mental illness Epidemic!

by OUTLAW in

this disease is running rampant among jehovah`s witness`s..theres not one that dosen`t have it.it seems to be contagious.my mom has it,my dad had it,my brother has it,all the jehovah`s witness`s i know have it..an incredible loss of memory,a mental deterioration that can happen instantly!..it has nothing to do with every day life memory loss,like "alzhiemer`s"..it is loss of memory about thier own religion and only affects jehovah`s witness`s..it`s "jozhiemer`s disease"..have you,or do you know anyone who has a loss of memory about their own religion because of "jozhiemer`s disease?

"...outlaw

proplog2

A relative of mine recently went to a shrink about marriage problems. This relative was raised a JW and is married to a JW. The relative mentioned that she is no longer a JW and the shrink asked her if something unusal was going on with the JW religion recently because the shrink has taken three patients in the last month that are having mental issues with their religion.

Is this just a coincidence? What are the chances in a city of a million people with hundreds of shrinks picking up a total of 4 Jw's in one month. Is it possible that 10% of JW's are going to shrinks? And if 10% are smart enough to get professional help - how many are just struggling to deal with problems on their own? 1 out of 5?

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Is the Issue Of "Sovereignty" Stupid?

by metatron in

let's say you're satan - and you're challenging god.

this is a little like walking into a huge vegas casino and telling them you can beat them.. however, the problem is that you are challenging the author and sustainer of the physical universe, who maintains the laws.

of physics.

proplog2

The issue is "good government" vs "bad government".

There is nothing more important.

The Bible frames it in the best way they knew.

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The Science of Belief

by LittleToe in

time and again the refrain is heard that belief and science are mutually exclusive, that belief somehow corrupts good science, that belief is not empirical.

i'd like to throw another slant on that, if i may.. belief is an inherent part of the human psyche.

the desire to know more about our environment and how it all works is also an inherent part of our psyche.

proplog2

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The Science of Belief

by LittleToe in

time and again the refrain is heard that belief and science are mutually exclusive, that belief somehow corrupts good science, that belief is not empirical.

i'd like to throw another slant on that, if i may.. belief is an inherent part of the human psyche.

the desire to know more about our environment and how it all works is also an inherent part of our psyche.

proplog2

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The Science of Belief

by LittleToe in

time and again the refrain is heard that belief and science are mutually exclusive, that belief somehow corrupts good science, that belief is not empirical.

i'd like to throw another slant on that, if i may.. belief is an inherent part of the human psyche.

the desire to know more about our environment and how it all works is also an inherent part of our psyche.

proplog2

Religion seems to have some real survival value. Prayer can be inexpensive therapy. The idea of "believing" (imagining) you are talking to someone you can't fool that and who can read your inner most desires brings the possibility for objectivity that only the brutally honest can achieve spending hours practicing.

To achieve the same results as prayer would require many hours learning, linguistics, semantics, rhetoric, philosophy, & science. The average person doesn't have that luxury.

But like any human endeavor it must be done in the context of community. Religious practice needs peer review just like science. Otherwise, you get people like Born Again Bush who believes God told him he was chosen to fix the middle east.

That is the most redeeming thing about science or at least the philosophy of science. You HAVE to prove it to others.

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The Governing Body said it ... are you ready !!!!!!!!!!!!

by run dont walk in

i was at a funeral this weekend, the first time i'd been in a kingdom hall in 13 years, the talk was short about a half hour, and all jw stuff as expected, but the one part of the talk made me laugh, the speaker said :.

"we (a group of elders), had the oppourtunity to speak with a member of the governing body at the assembly, and he said : "we the governing body are confident that armageddon is close, and are ready for jehovah's day, are you ready ???"".

i couldn't believe my ears, they will never learn.

proplog2

Do you know any authorities that are more competent to speak out on how near the end is?

They've been doing it a long time.

It's like getting stock picks from someone who has never made a dime in the stock market.

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Babylon is not the Symbolic CIty of False Religion.

by proplog2 in

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the babylon with "graven images" quoted from jeremiah and isaiah was not a religious entity but a political entity.

jeremiah 43:12. .

jeremiah 43:13. .

proplog2

This thread has gone beyond its original purpose - which is fine. My purpose was to bring up a discussion of Babylon the Great because of the distribution of Kingdom News 37 wherein the Watchtower continues its teaching that Babylon the Great is False Religion and that no other conclusion is logical. It should be clear from the initial points that there were political entities that were described as carrying on fornication with all of the kings of the earth. There were also political entities that could be described as being involved in sorcery. Therefore the Watchtower is in error.

I will no longer be participating in this thread. Thanks to all who have followed it and participated.