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After four years, still cleaning up the trash.

by TemperateWarrior in

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i have a question that i'd like to get feedback for:

how does a person get their finances in order after leaving the dubs?

i've left the b'organization with my family intact.

proplog2

Get off of this board. Get back to school right away. Create a beach-head of change -even if you can only afford one class. Time flies. You will eventually get your degree.

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Carey Barber, GB Member approaches 100.

by truthseeker in

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carey barber, born july 4th 1905 has almost made his century.

fred franz came close at 99 years old, and he died around 1992.. so what does bro barr get for his 100th birthday?

forget it - to him, turning 100 is "just another day.

Barber was the first district servant I remember back in 1949. He was a very boring speaker. He was also very shy and was afraid to look at the audience. I mentioned this to a circuit servant and he told me that Carry memorized his talks and would recite them while pretending to turn the pages of a manuscript. Sometimes he would even page through a song book while he gave his memorized speech.

I don't think its right to make fun of old people. Men like Barber are victims of a rampant, wild, and in some ways fantastic idea. I prefer not to judge. Any of us could have followed the same pathway. None of us are especially noble. We are enlightened by accident.

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New System Sewage

by joelbear in

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i was thinking this weekend.. how will sewage treatment be handled in the new system?

i assume mature brothers will be assigned the privilege of working at sewer treatment plants for shifts of 1000 years or so.

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Joelbear:

As you know God likes poop. He had already spent untold billions of years with creatures that didn't poop. And so he decided he wanted some beings built around a long tube that would convert other objects such as fruit,vegetables into a brown smelly sausage. Humans in their sinful state crave to be like the God's and pretend they don't poop. So they quickly get it out of sight. At first they would burry it. But eventually they found ways to dispose of it without ever having to look at it - with a simple flush.

So in the New World we will finally be able to see our product everywhere. There will be no toilets. We will simply squat and leave it for all the world to behold - and the Angels will no doubt shout and clap because they will once again smell that restful odor.

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Rutherford Whisky for sale

by ballistic in

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this guy called "rutherford" not only makes whisky, but shows himself depicted under a pyramid.

is there a conspiracy afoot?.

proplog2

Was he called Judge Rutheford or JUG Rutheford or according to some reports JUGS Rutheford

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generation shift - 1995 or 1984?

by sonofapreacherman in

i first came to know about the 1995 shift in the definition of a generation from this website, having not stepped foot into a kh, bar the odd funeral, since the early 90s.

i recently had the opportunity to question my mother and aunt about the change in doctrine.

in an apparently innocent way, i asked about the post great war generation dying out and what that meant for the prophecy.

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Nicalou:

Very revealing. In other words they wove the rope. THEY tied the noose and put it around their neck with abslolutely no fear that the horse they were sitting on was going to take off.

All the while Jehovah THEIR God allowed this to take place so that HIS people could be an object of ridicule. Too bad Moses wasn't around to convince Jehovah that this would not look good for his name.

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Does anyone know a good source(s) that refutes the Daniel book?

by Check_Your_Premises in

as some of you know, they are getting ready to go through the daniel book.

i don't want to attack the dumb ideas in the book.

i would just like to be able to ask some troubling questions, so it doesn't all take.. cyp

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Problems with new Daniel Book

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From: [email protected] (Proplog2) - Find messages by this author

Date: 1999/08/22

Subject: Problems with new Daniel Book

Fudge. That's the unofficial term for what you do with numbers
when they don't exactly say what you want them to say.

The Watchtower writers are either mathematically challenged or they
are deliberate fudgers.

Let's look at the day counting prophesies of Daniel.

On page 301 of the New Daniel book we have the LATEST "truth" about
the 1,260 days, the 2,300 evening and mornings, 1,290 days and the
1,335 days.

Ready to do some counting?

The Chart "PROPHETIC TIME PERIODS IN DANIEL" (Will be referred to
as the "Chart")

"Three and a half times (1,260 days) Daniel 7:25; 12:7"

"December 1914 to June 1918"

Let's total the time span from December 1 1914 to June 30 1918

December 1914 = 31 days
1915 = 365 days
1916 (Leap Year) = 366 days
1917 = 365 days
Jan 1- June 30 1918 = 1,318 days

They allow a fudge factor of 58 days. Is Jehovah that sloppy with
his prophecies? Shouldn't they know exactly when the 1,260 days
begins and ends?

Look at the type of event they use to mark the boundaries of these
1,260 days.

Page 142 Paragraph 29 Question for the paragraph "When and how did
the prophetic three and a half years begin?

"For the anointed Christians, World War I meant a time of testing.
By the end of 1914, they were expecting persecution. In fact, the
very yeartext chosen for 1915 was Jesus' question to his disciples,
"Are ye able to drink of my cup?" It was based on Matthew 20:22,
(KJV). Hence, beginning in December 1914, that small band of
witnesses preached in "sackcloth".

So at what point in December do you start counting? Do you start
when some committee decided on the yeartext? Do you start when
someone, on the committee that decides the yeartext, got the notion?
Do you start counting from the time the plate is composed for
printing the years text. Do you start from the publication date on
the Watchtower that contains the yeartext? Somehow this doesn't
seem like a good way to start counting a time period that is
supposed to have some great prophetic significance.

So when did the 1,260 days end? That's essentially the question
asked in paragraph 31. The answer is as follows:

"Harassment of God's anointed ones climaxed on June 21, 1918, when
the president , J.F. Rutherford and prominent members of the Watch
Tower Bible and Tract Society were sentenced on false charges to
long prison terms... So the foretold period of "time, and times and
half a time" ended in June 1918."

If the period of mourning in sackcloth is supposed to end on June
21, 1918 wouldn't that mean that the suffering ended? Instead it
just began! That's when they were sentenced to jail. Apparently
they were happy to receive prison suits as an exchange for their
old sack cloth.

Since they brought up the June 21st date as the time it ended it
makes sense that we should be able to find the all important
starting date by simply counting back 1,260 days. So let's do that.

Jan 1- June 21 1918 = 172 days
1917 = 365 days
1916 = 366 days

That totals up to 903 days

1,260 - 903 = 357 days or January 8th 1915. That's not quite
December 1914. Most likely the 1,260 days started from the day the
local congregations got the banner of the yeartext displayed at
their meeting places.

I was going to work my way through the other dates. I just don't
have the time. Maybe someone else can do that.

I prefer my fudge in brownies.

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Does anyone know a good source(s) that refutes the Daniel book?

by Check_Your_Premises in

as some of you know, they are getting ready to go through the daniel book.

i don't want to attack the dumb ideas in the book.

i would just like to be able to ask some troubling questions, so it doesn't all take.. cyp

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New Daniel Book = More Problems

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Date: 1999/09/04

Subject: New Daniel Book = More Problems

More problems with the Daniel book. (Continuation of criticism)

The date of 1914 has been a pivotal date for the Watchtower. A lot
hinges on it. Russell counted down to 1914 and the Watchtower has
been counting the years since 1914. The new Daniel book reaffirms
he Watchtowers old mistakes with reference to this date.

The overarching error in connection with the date of 1914 is not
the debate over when the count of 2,520 years starts but whether
there should be ANY counting of 2,520 years at all. On page 94 the
question for paragraph 24 is:

"The great dream tree symbolizes what?"

The Daniel book says

"the tree stands for rulership and sovereignty far grander than
that of Babylon's king. It symbolizes the universal sovereignty of
Jehovah...especially with respect to the earth."

If you read the 4th Chapter of Daniel it says nothing specifically
about the tree symbolizing the universal sovereignty of Jehovah.
Since the 4th Chapter of Daniel doesn't say that the tree
symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah it is THEREFORE
presumptuous for the Watchtower to make that claim. The 4th
chapter however doesn't leave the interpretation of the dream to
our imagination. It tells us specifically what that tree
represents. Daniel reveals the interpretation with these words at
Daniel 4:22 "It is YOU O king". That's it. The tree represents
Nebuchadnezzar. Any further elaboration of this simple explanation
is pure speculation. The Watchtower is allowed to speculate but
individual JW's are disfellowshipped if they question this
Watchtower speculation.

Next the Watchtower invokes an imaginary "rule" for interpreting
prophecy.

The question for paragraph 28 page 96:

"What rule must be applied to the 2,520 days of the prophetic seven
times?"

The answer: "A day for a year." To support this "rule" they quote
Ezekiel 4:6,7 and Numbers 14:34. Read those scriptures. There is
nothing about them that suggests that there is some universal rule
of using a day for a year when interpreting prophecies that mention
a number of days. Once again this is speculation. It's no wonder
they warn JW's about speculation. They seem to have a problem with
the consequences of foolish speculation.

But, suppose there really is a rule that you use a day for a year?
How consistent are they in following that rule? Why don't they use
that rule with Daniel 8:14 in counting the 2,300 days? Or what
about the 1,290 days and 1,335 days in Daniel 12:11,12? Apparently
this rule is not a rule at all!!

The debate on 607BC is an interesting discussion but it is merely
a side issue. Even if 607BC were the indisputable beginning to the
70 year period of desolation there is no basis for counting 2,520
years to some imagined point in the future when Christ begins to
rule.

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The EU and WTS prophecy

by dorayakii in

the european union does not exist on the american political landscape.

at a time when many foreign-policy experts are looking toward a multipolar world with the eu and china as two of the important poles, when foreign-policy issues are more important in the u.s. presidential election than at any time in recent memory, george w. bush has not even mentioned the eu in any speech given in 2004. not once.

(http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/18/news/edslaughter.html) .

proplog2

Unfortunately the Watchtower abandoned a pretty good interpretation of Daniel. The USA is still pushing Russia. At least Putin thinks so. The policy of encirclement of Russia is still in place. The USA is playing its old game in the former Soviet Union Republics. The elites in Russia believe the USA is out to break them up into smaller countries.

The two principal rivals are still the US and Russia. They continue to wave their nuclear capabilities in each others faces. Look at a map. There is nothing North of Russia. Stretching accross 11 time zones it dominates the northern tier of the World Island (Asia, Europe, Africa, Middle-East) - indeed the King (ruler) of the North.

Russia has good relations with all the "axis of evil" countries. Russia leads the call for a multi-polar world which really means a world without the USA (Babylon the Great) dominanting it.

Expect to see some kind of world situation where Russia reasserts its authority over its former republics (10 kings who have not received a kingdom except for confederacy with Wild Beast Rev. 17:12) Most likely Russia will explode a nuclear device in New York City - allowing the blame to be placed on Islamic Terrorists. This will be the perfect opportunity for Russia to make the case for a new political entity on the Former Soviet Space.

The EU repudiation of the constitution works for the good of Russia. If you were to ask the average European to state their nationality they would say French, German, Spanish, Italian - NOT European. The EU is primarily a economic union. They remain separate entitites.

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THIS IS IT!!! EARTHQUAKES!!!

by jula71 in

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i have to laugh, just heard from 2 dub friends that proceeded to tell me this is a sign.

california has had 4 earthquakes in the last 3 days.

so all of you still on the fence.straighten upcant be long now.

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Are Earthquakes Really on the Increase?

We continue to be asked by many people throughout the world if earthquakes are on the increase. Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant.

A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications. In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more that 8,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by electronic mail, internet and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate earthquakes more rapidly and to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years. The NEIC now locates about 20,000 earthquakes each year or approximately 50 per day. Also, because of the improvements in communications and the increased interest in the environment and natural disasters, the public now learns about more earthquakes.

According to long-term records (since about 1900), we expect about 18 major earthquakes (7.0 - 7.9) and one great earthquake (8.0 or above) in any given year. However, let's take a look at what has happened in the past 31 years, from 1969 through 2001.

The following is a list of major and great earthquakes during this period:

Number of Earthquakes Per Year

Year	Major Earthquakes	Great Earthquakes
1969	15	1
1970	20	0
1971	19	1
1972	15	0
1973	13	0
1974	14	0
1975	14	1
1976	15	2
1977	11	2
1978	16	1
1979	13	0
1980	13	1
1981	13	0
1982	10	1
1983	14	0
1984	08	0
1985	13	1
1986	05	1
1987	11	0
1988	08	0
1989	06	1
1990	18	0
1991	16	0
1992	13	0
1993	12	0
1994	11	2
1995	18	2
1996	14	1
1997	16	0
1998	11	1
1999	18	0
2000	14	1
2001	15	1

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Albert Einstein and his nature of turning inward?

by frankiespeakin in

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i would like to here your opinions about ae even if you don't know much about him,, what do you think about him according to what limited knowledge you have of him.

i think this would be fun for our imagination.

i bet those that have a mystical nature might have some interesting things to say as well as you science buffs.. i think he was very introverted,,had great intuitions,, a very lively imagination,,and had perhaps experinced enlightenment perhaps not as much as some mystics but quite abit atleast that's what i gather from the recient thread i started which has some quotes of his ideas about spirituality.

proplog2

A personal acquaintance of mine was a very close friend to Dr. William H. Sheldon the Somatotype guy who coined the terms Endomorph, Mesomorph, Ectomorph. My acquaintance said that Sheldon was working at the Carl Jung institute when Einstein came for help. Einstein had what they called a "gynic intrusion" which means he had a somewhat feminine body-type. Einstein had trouble integrating this feminine streak into his male persona. Sheldon helped him with this and Einstein was able to live happily ever after. THE END>

The above won't be found in any history books. It is a betrayal of a Doctor/Patient relationship.