Posts by proplog2

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The fallacy of 'spirituality'.

by nicolaou in

leaving the watchtower does not mean leaving god.

many here have been able to maintain a relationship with god without the need for a set of beliefs or a creed or any organised system of worship at all.

no churches, meeting halls or study groups are necessary just a deeply held conviction in the goodness of god and the value of a personal relationship with him.. such believers often stress 'spirituality' over religion.. now i don't mean to denigrate anyone's beliefs and no offence is intended but really, is a 'spiritual' approach to life any better for our mental and emotional well-being than being part of an organised religion?

proplog2

"Spirit" is a word we should probably expunge from our vocabulary. It was an effort to describe WIGO (what is going on) in terms of entities that are invisible.

Spirituality is derived from Spirit and means "having a concern for or interest in" entities that are invisible.

Matter is what humans saw. Spirit is what they didn't see.

Even the use of the word "law" in science is rooted in invisible entities. Supposedly there is some spirit that wrote the law of gravity etc. I would mark "law" as it is used in science as a word to be eliminated.

Modern science thinks more in terms of "information" as the invisible. Information is truly invisible and weightless. Information involves "relations".

I prefer looking at the world as "information" so I am an "information" person.

Happy are those conscious of their need for "information".

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The Bible, Religion and your point of view

by The wanderer in

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the bible, religion and your point of view depending on where you stand regarding this subject there can.

no disputing the influence of the bible in art, literature, and even.

in the influence of the making of common laws.. separating the bible and religion this topic is not focused on discussing the watchtower's viewpoint.

proplog2

It is very clear from this discussion board that we are caught between two stories. The old Bible one. And the modern scientific story.

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Hypothetical ? for u. What if armageddon really did come...

by *jeremiah* in

ok, here's a hypothetical that i'm curious about.. what if armageddon really did happen?

not necessarily according to jw terms or timetable, but at some point it happens in your lifetime.

would any of you return to the jws?.

proplog2

If it looked like the Bible's predictions were really coming true I would try to get with the people described in these scriptures.

Daniel 11:32,33 And as regards the people who are knowing their God they will prevail and act effectively"

And as regards those having insight among the people they will impart understanding to the many.

Dan 11:34 When they are made to stumble they will be helped with a little help; and many will certainly join themselves to them by means of smoothness (flatteries)

Daniel 12:1 And during that time your people will escape.

Daniel 12:3 And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the starts to time indefinite, even forever.

Matthew 24:22 On account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

1Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possesion, that you should declare abroad the excellencies of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

IF... the endtime prophesies appear to be coming to pass one must then expect the "holy ones" to become evident.

Who are these people?

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Heroes anyone?????

by lola28 in

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any one else here love this show?.

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lola.

proplog2

What is the talk about a bomb exploding in New York? How does that fit in?

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Have you ever had an encounter with a UFO?

by free2beme in

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when i was about 16 years old, a group of us friends would go hiking a lot on the weekend.

we would rough it to some degree, just a sleeping back and sleeping under the stars.

one night, while hiking into a lake in northern california, we all were sleeping in a clearing just out of legal distance from a small mountain lake we liked to fish in.

proplog2

Three hundred years ago no one would have thought that you could generate electricity by spinning a coil of wires in between a couple of magnets. But our whole way of life has been transformed because of this.

It may be that travel to other dimensions/parallel worlds doesn't require anything more complicated than the technology that produced MRI machines or Super Computers or perhaps a particle accelerator. We just have to stumble accross one simple idea. The random aspect of discovery is the only obstacle to rapid scientifice advancement.

It could be that some Jar-Jars accidentally figured out how to travel between dimensions and suddenly you have some stupid beings popping up here and there. Or maybe there are teenagers or interdimenional Harley riders out for a joy ride.

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Babylon is not the Symbolic CIty of False Religion.

by proplog2 in

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the babylon with "graven images" quoted from jeremiah and isaiah was not a religious entity but a political entity.

jeremiah 43:12. .

jeremiah 43:13. .

proplog2

Bump!!!

In one week some on this board will be at the book study considering the topic "Identifying Babylon the Great"

In case some haven't seen this page I brought it up for air.

Keep in mind two scriptures for the book study Isaiah 23:17 and Nahum 2:4

You might even ask the book study conductor how it is possible for Ninevah and Tyre, both political entities, to commit prostitution with all the kingdoms of the earth when they say Babylon the Great CAN't be a political entity because it commits prostitution with the kings of the earth.

If there is a slim chance that any Watchtower writers are reading this think about how you are deceiving people. You know you have no answer to this.

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JW Murder Fetish - More LIES!!!

by LeahJasmine in

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ok, so i misinterpreted this author's other article, but this one really does go way beyond.

it's "jehovah witness murder fetish (a psychological model)".

i don't think there's anyway that i am misunderstanding this one - he's saying that the watchtower is to blame!.

proplog2

I would still like to know who really killed Ananias and Sapphira.

If this were to happen today there would be an investigation.

It sounds like murder to me. Couldn't the early Christians just DF them for lying?

Nooooooooooo. They killed them and claimed it was God that did it.

The problem is with "devout believers" in any faith.

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What if aliens are the reason we are here, and why the bible is?

by free2beme in

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okay, i have a very imaginative mind.

i have always loved the series star trek, until it went belly up in over kill.

i always loved the thoughts it brought up, with what would happen if an alien species encountered a less advance or primitive species.

proplog2

Flipping around through parallel universes seems more likely than traveling long distances through space.

Angels are material beings with advanced cloaking techniques.

The Bible is a capsule of vital information for mankinds survival through a serious crisis that will bring civilization to its senses.

It had to be writen as a religious book so that it would be copied. Most of it is nonsense but the sections about surviving the great tribulation are critical.

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JW Reform, It will NEVER happen...

by AuldSoul in

i have read several posts by posters who fervently hope jws will become a mainstream religion, or will become "the truth," or will stop teaching this doctrine, or tweak that one, and "oh, if they would only [fill in the blank].".

such dreaming will, in the end, come to naught.

there are practical reasons why.. (1) the rank and file have no authority over the governing body.. (2) the rank and file do not hold sway over any of the corporate interests.. (3) the vast majority of memorial partakers are not credible in the eyes of the governing body, nor do they have any authority over anything.. (4) the organization shows a willingness to publicly claim beliefs to which jehovah's witnesses do not actually subscribe in order to improve public image (see lisa's interview with j.r. brown), while retaining the same hard-line beliefs in reality.. (5) the governing body is unwilling to relinquish control over the organization, to share authority with underlings (e.g.

proplog2

If they give up the "end is soon" idea they have no reason to exist. Although, originally Adventists they have branched far from the Seventh Day Adventists.

They could become a publishing house for several different groups so that their investement wouldn't be a loss. Hell, they could just specialize in printing for all denominations.

They could hold Bible parties where people would buy inspirational videos, Bibles, and study guides. The service meeting could become a good old fashioned sales meeting.

All representatives would have to be be strong moral leaders so that people would trust them as distributors of fine Christian publications. They would carry a complete line of games and educational packets that would encourage building strong character along with family values.

Readers digest..... move over.

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JW Reform, It will NEVER happen...

by AuldSoul in

i have read several posts by posters who fervently hope jws will become a mainstream religion, or will become "the truth," or will stop teaching this doctrine, or tweak that one, and "oh, if they would only [fill in the blank].".

such dreaming will, in the end, come to naught.

there are practical reasons why.. (1) the rank and file have no authority over the governing body.. (2) the rank and file do not hold sway over any of the corporate interests.. (3) the vast majority of memorial partakers are not credible in the eyes of the governing body, nor do they have any authority over anything.. (4) the organization shows a willingness to publicly claim beliefs to which jehovah's witnesses do not actually subscribe in order to improve public image (see lisa's interview with j.r. brown), while retaining the same hard-line beliefs in reality.. (5) the governing body is unwilling to relinquish control over the organization, to share authority with underlings (e.g.

proplog2

Early Christians were an end-time religion. It only worked for them for about 4 generations (30 x 4) or 120 years. Once you get to 4 generations you kind of lose your sense of urgency. Either something happens "soooooon" that vindicates them or they will disolve. They won't become mainstream. They won't reform. After 2014 they will all just fade.