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New Light Confirmed in New Book

by Stephanus in

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http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/21475/1.ashx.

we were informed that the tower had changed the earthquake "sign of the times" - "they're not increasing; they're just there - and that's proof enough" is apparently the new way of looking at things.

pseudoxristos

Do you know what an earthquake is?--Earthquakes make the ground shake under your feet. Houses fall down, and people often get killed.

Is this a childrens book?

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Twist your mind around this.

by pseudoxristos in

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we wouldn't talk to any of the other angels or.

same with angels - we can tell jehovah how much.

so i figure jehovah can tell jesus and the angels.

Twist your mind around this.

by pseudoxristos in

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we wouldn't talk to any of the other angels or.

same with angels - we can tell jehovah how much.

so i figure jehovah can tell jesus and the angels.

pseudoxristos

A typical response from another Witness.

We are not to talk to angels, and the GOOD ones do not want us to talk to them.

That is a very good reason why we do not know any of the names of the billions of angles that exist with the extreme exception of simply two: Jesus [Michael] and Gabriel.

Remember the account of Jehovah's servant wrestling with the angel all night and asking him his name? He never got it out of him.

We do not even know Satan's name. "Satan" is not his name. It is a title, much like "Devil" that was given to him after his fall into disobedience.

We have no business talking to angels. We don't even have any business talking to Jesus Christ! How much more so would we not want to direct any of our comments to lesser angels or even to former humans whom we may have known who are now in the heavens.

One... one single being in the entire universe is the Hearer of Prayer. He has delegated a tremendous amount of His work to his son and the angels and the ressurected annoited, but Jehovah has never, ever passed on his UNIQUE position as the Hearer of Prayer.

That alone is enough to meditate on for hours!

uhm...I wonder how they twist this scritpure?

59 While they were stoning Stephen, he prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."

Acts 7:59 (NRSV)

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Twist your mind around this.

by pseudoxristos in

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we wouldn't talk to any of the other angels or.

same with angels - we can tell jehovah how much.

so i figure jehovah can tell jesus and the angels.

pseudoxristos

From a Witness Group on Yahoo.

We know that we don't talk to Jesus direct....so
we wouldn't talk to any of the other angels or
demons......It has been mentioned that anything
we want to say about Jesus/angels, we ask Jehovah
to tell it for us.

For example, when we mention gratefulness for the
ransom sacrifice of Jesus, we tell Jehovah thru
Jesus, then Jehovah in turn tells his son.

Same with angels - we can tell Jehovah how much
we appreciate them for whatever we want to
mention. He in turn will intercede for us and
tell them.

Remember the # 3 talk last week about Mary being
intercessor? I had the part. No way is this done
by her. Jehovah is the only one that can
relay/intercede putting in his words what we have
asked him to tell them.

Please look up the word 'intercessor'.

We can ask Jehovah for his holy spirit to
interpret what is in our hearts, whenever we fail
for words to express ourselves on how we feel.
So I figure Jehovah can tell Jesus and the angels
more beautifully how my heart feels about them.

Just recently it was mentioned about: do we thank
abd appreciate Jesus for his ransom sacrifice, in
our prayers.

Say What???

What kind of drugs are these people taking?

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God's Channel Quote

by ClassAvenger in

there's a quote on the watchtower being god's channel at the site http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/channel.htm.

it lies between august 15, 1933 and november 1, 1933. this quote has a "?/??".

i would like to know if anyone has the date on this magazine.

pseudoxristos

The quote may actually come from: (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1933 p. 247).

I found the following by searching google. The formatting of these quotes are a little confusing.

1933: "Enlightenment proceeds from Jehovah by and through Christ Jesus and is given to the faithful anointed on earth at the temple, and brings peace and consolation to them." (Watchtower 1933 p. 276) "It has pleased the Lord to use The Watchtower as a means of conveying his message to his covenant people." (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1933 p. 247)
http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/cultinformation/claimsofinspiration.html

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Can You Believe Bible Prophecy?

by Blueblades in

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many believe that between a fourth and a third of the bible concerns prophecy.. many believe that history shows that god's unerring prophecies of the kingdoms and empires of,egypt,isreal,judah,babylon,persia,greece and rome all came to pass in minute detail.. if his prophecies came true in centuries past,can you----should you-----believe in bible prophecy today?.

btw.we are not talking about the society but the many other religious teachers and scholars who swear by the fulfillment of bible prophecy.. blueblades

pseudoxristos

Its not like the Gospel writers would invent the narratives that fulfilled the so-called prophecies in the OT.

They wouldn’t do that. There is no evidence of anyone trying to present fake accounts of Jesus’ life.

Oh…..wait……I forgot about all the NT apocrypha. Never mind.

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Can You Believe Bible Prophecy?

by Blueblades in

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many believe that between a fourth and a third of the bible concerns prophecy.. many believe that history shows that god's unerring prophecies of the kingdoms and empires of,egypt,isreal,judah,babylon,persia,greece and rome all came to pass in minute detail.. if his prophecies came true in centuries past,can you----should you-----believe in bible prophecy today?.

btw.we are not talking about the society but the many other religious teachers and scholars who swear by the fulfillment of bible prophecy.. blueblades

pseudoxristos

How can we be sure that these so-called prophecies were not written after the fact?

Christians like to point to the accuracy of the prophecies in the Book of Daniel as proof of the inspiration of the Bible. The Book of Daniel is traditionally believed to have been written in the 6 th century BCE. Interestingly though, the history and prophecies seem to become increasingly more accurate the closer it gets to the 2 nd century. This suggests that Daniel was extremely familiar with 2 nd century history while ignorant of 6 th century history. The simple solution to this craziness is to accept that the book of Daniel was compiled in the 2 nd century and its prophecies are nothing more than history written as prophecies.

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An Interesting Verse from Muslim Teachings:

by ros in

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the following hoax is being sent around in e-mails.

thanks pseudoxristos for finding "the truth".

no point in propagating an erumor.

pseudoxristos

That seemed to amazing to be true.

A quick search on google turned up this info.

Summary of the eRumorA verse in the Koran, which happens to correspond to the date of the Attack on America, predicts that "the wrath of the Eagle" would be felt throughout the lands of Allah.

The Truth
This is a hoax.
The quote is not from anywhere in the Koran (or Quran).
Chapter 9 verse 11 actually says "But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and we make the communications clear for a people who know." (M. H. Shakir translation)

Sorry, but it looks like it's a hoax.

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Hell

by onacruse in

i was recently asked about my opinion re: hell.. as a born-and-raised jw i obviously never believed in hell-fire torment.

actually, i refuse to believe in such a thing.

for many years my favorite response to the idea was "i would rather burn in hell than worship a god who would create such a place.".

pseudoxristos

The Idea that Greek mythology influenced Christendom’s belief in a literal hell is only partially correct. Witnesses would have us believe that these beliefs were adopted sometime after the first century. In reality, Greek thought had already permeated Jewish thought prior to the first century. The fact that the NT was written in Greek demonstrates the extent of the influence.

Jewish literature prior to the NT had already incorporated Greek ideas concerning Hell. But, according to Witnesses, the NT does not teach a literal hell, even when it clearly parallels these writings.

The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha do not present a completely coherent picture of Hell, but the following is a general summary of their concepts:

Hades contains several areas or compartments for the dead. The faithful will be received by Abraham in the area generally referred to as Paradise. The wicked will be sent to another area where they will be tormented (Interestingly, one of the pleasures of paradise will be the ability to observe the punishment of the wicked). The wicked are prevented from passing over to the Paradise side. All will be judged; the faithful will be resurrected to live again, while the wicked will be destroyed.

The following quotes from the apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha should be sufficient to show that this foreign influence had already found it's way into Jewish thought years before the development of the New Testament.

The Apocalypse of Zephaniah 10

(1)Then the great angel came to me with the golden trumpet in his hand, and he blew it up to heaven. (2)Heaven opened from the place where the sun rises to where it sets, from the north to the south. (3)I saw the sea which I had seen at the bottom of Hades. Its waves came up to the clouds. (4)I saw all the souls sinking in it. I saw some whose hands were bound to their neck, with their hands and feet being fettered. (5)I said, "Who are these?" He said to me, "These are the ones who were bribed and they were given gold and silver until the souls of men were led astray." (6)And I saw others covered with mats of fire. (7)I said, "Who are these?" He said to me, "These are the ones who give money at interest, and they receive interest for interest." (8)And I also saw some blind ones crying out. And I was amazed when I saw all these works of God. (9)I said, "Who are these?" He said to me, "These are catechumens who heard the word of God, but they were not perfected in the work which they heard." (10) And I said to him, "Then do they not have repentance here?" He said, "Yes." (11)I said, "How long?" He said to me, "Until the day when the Lord will judge." (12)And I saw others with their hair on them. (13)I said, "Then there is hair and body in this place?" (14) He said, "Yes, the Lord gives body and hair to them as he desires."

The Apocalypse of Zephaniah 10

(1)And I also saw multitudes. He brought them forth. (2)As they looked at all of the torments they called out, praying before the Lord Almighty, saying, "We pray to you on account of those who are in all these torments so that you might have mercy on all of them." (3) And when I saw them, I said to the angel who spoke with me, "(Who are these?)" (4)He said, "These who beseech the Lord are Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. (5)Then at a certain hour daily they come forth with the great angel. He sounds a trumpet up to heaven and another sound upon the earth. (6)All the righteous hear the sound. They come running, praying to the Lord Almighty daily on behalf of these who are in all these torments."

Testament of Abraham 12

(1)While he was yet saying these things to me, behold (there were) two angels, with fiery aspect and merciless intention and relentless look, and they drove myriads of souls, mercilessly beating them with fiery lashes. (2)And the angel seized one soul. And they drove all the souls into the broad gate toward destruction. (3)Then we too followed the angels and we came inside that broad gate. (4)And between the two gates there stood a terrifying throne with the appearance of terrifying crystal, flashing like fire. (5)And upon it sat a wondrous man, bright as the sun, like unto a son of God. (6)Before him stood a table like crystal, all of gold and byssus. (7)On the table lay a book whose thickness was six cubits, while its breadth was ten cubits. (8)On its right and on its left stood two angels holding papyrus and ink and pen. (9)In front of the table sat a light-bearing angel, holding a balance in his hand. (10)[On] (his) left there sat a fiery angel, altogether merciless and relentless, holding a trumpet in his hand, which contained within it an all-consuming fire (for) testing the sinners. (11)And the wondrous man who sat on the throne was the one who judged and sentenced the souls. (12)The two angels on the right and on the left recorded. The one on the right recorded righteous deeds, while the one on the left (recorded) sins. (13)And the one who was in front of the table, who was holding the balance, weighed the souls. (14)And the fiery angel, who held the fire, tested the souls. (15)And Abraham asked the Commander-in-Chief Michael, "What are these things which we see?" And the Commander-in-chief said, "These things which you see, pious Abraham, are judgment and recompense." (16)And behold, the angel who held the soul in his hand brought it before the judge. (17)And the judge told one of the angels who served him, "Open for me this book and find for me the sins of this soul." (18)And when he opened the book he found its sins and righteous deeds to equally balanced, and he neither turned it over to the tortures nor (placed it among) those who were being saved but he set it in the middle.

Greek Apocalypse of Ezra 4

(1)And the prophet said, "Lord, I shall never cease arguing the case with you." (2)And God said, "Count the flowers of the earth. (3)If you can count them you also will be able to argue the case with me."(4)And the prophet said, "Lord, I cannot count them-I bear human flesh-but neither will I stop arguing the case with you. (5)I wish, Lord, to see the lower parts of Tartarus." (6)And God said, "Go down and see!" (7)And he gave me Michael and Gabriel and thirty-four other angels. (8)and I descended eighty-five steps and they led me down five hundred steps.

Received by Abraham

4 Maccabees

13 Now, therefore, if the seven brothers scorned suffering even unto death, it must be universal conceded that the pious reason is complete master of the passions. (2)For if being enslaved to the passions they had eaten unclean food, we would have said that they had been conquered by them. (3)However, in this case it did not happen so, but by the reason which is commended by God they prevailed over the passions, (4)and so we cannot but perceive the mind's supremacy over them since they overcame both passion and sufferings. (5)How then can we fail to admit, in regard to these men, right reason's victory over the passions, seeing that they did not shrink from the pains of fire? (6)Even as towers at the entrance to harbors repulse the threatening onslaughts of the waves and provide a calm haven for those who sail into it. (7)so the seven-towered right reason of the youths fortified the have of piety and tamed the rugged license of the passions. (8)They formed a holy choir of piety as they encouraged each other with the words, (9)"Let us die like brothers all, brothers, for the Law's sake. Let us follow the example of the three youths in Assyria, who despised the same trial by ordeal in the furnace. Let us not be pusillanimous in the demonstration of true piety." (10,11)"Courage, brother!" said one, and another, "Hold on nobly!" (12)And another, recalling the past, said, "Remember whence you came and at the hand of what father Isaac gave himself to be sacrificed for piety's sake." (13)Each one severally and all together, looking at each other with most cheerful mien, aglow with courage, said, "With all our hearts let us consecrate ourselves unto God, who gave us our souls, and let us expend our bodies for the custodianship of the Law. (14)Let us have no fear of him who thinks he kills. (15)Great is the ordeal and peril of the soul that lies in wait in eternal torment for those who transgress the commandment of God. (16)Let us then arm ourselves with the control over the passions which comes from divine reason. (17)After our death in this fashion Abraham and Isaac and Jacob will receive us, and all our forefathers will praise us." (18)And to each one of the brothers as they were dragged away, those who were left said, "Do not shame us, brother, nor be traitor to our brothers who have already died."

2 Esdras 7

(26)'Listen! The time shall come when the signs I have foretold will be seen; the city which is now invisible shall appear and the country now concealed be made visible. (27)Everyone who has been delivered from the evils I have foretold shall see for himself my marvelous acts. (28)My son the Messiah shall appear with his companions and bring four hundred years of happiness to all who survive. (29)At the end of that time, my son the Messiah shall die, and so shall all mankind who draw breath. (30)Then the world shall return to its original silence for seven days as at the beginning of creation, and no one shall be left alive. (31)After seven days the age which is not yet awake shall be roused and the age which is corruptible shall die. (32)The earth shall give up those who sleep in it, and the dust those who rest there in silence; and the storehouses shall give back the souls entrusted to them. (33)Then the Most High shall be seen on the judgment-seat, and there shall be an end of all pity and patience. (34)Judgment alone shall remain; (35)truth shall stand firm and faithfulness be strong; requital shall at once begin and open payment be made; good deeds shall awake and wicked deeds shall not be allowed to sleep. (36)Then the place of torment shall appear, and over against it the place of rest; the furnace of hell shall be displayed, and on the opposite side the paradise of delight.

Various notes:

Jewish Martyrs believed that: "After our death in this fashion Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will receive us and all our forefathers will praise us" (4 Maccabees 13:17 in J.H. Charlesworth, The OT Pseudepigrapha, Doubleday, 1983).

"You have escaped from the abyss and Hades, you will now cross over the crossing place... then he ran to all the righteous ones, namely Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Enoch, Elijah and David" (Apocalypse of Zephaniah 9:2. Charlesworth, op. cit.).

Now, for the Pharisees, they live meanly, and despise delicacies in diet; and they follow the conduct of reason; and what that prescribes to them as good for them, they do; and they think they ought earnestly to strive to observe reason's dictates for practice. They also pay a respect to such as are in years; nor are they so bold as to contradict them in anything which they have introduced; and, when they determine that all things are done by fate, they do not take away the freedom from men of acting as they think fit; since their notion is, that it hath pleased God to make a temperament, whereby what he wills is done, but so that the will of men can act virtuously or viciously. They also believe that souls have an immortal vigor in them, and that under the earth there will be rewards or punishments, according as they have lived virtuously or viciously in this life; and the latter are to be detained in an everlasting prison, but that the former shall have power to revive and live again; on account of which doctrines, they are able greatly to persuade the body of the people; and whatsoever they do about divine worship, prayers, and sacrifices, they perform them according to their direction; insomuch that the cities gave great attestations to them on account of their entire virtuous conduct, both in the actions of their lives and their discourses also. (The Antiquities of the Jews Book 18, Chapter 1)

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