Is CoC really that good? I have a die hard friend in the org. How can I get him to read it?
Posts by robB
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16reading Crisis of Conscience
by d ini have started to read crisis of consicence.
it is mindblowing and upsetting because of the lies i believed..
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robB
Install IE 9 and lose your ability to submit data at jehovahs-witness.net. Proof that Gates is in cohoots with the GB to control your mind. Ha ha. Well I have that fixed now.
I suspect the WT will quietly dump all of the 1914 stuff, the blood stuff and all of the other exteme views. It seems to me that the strategy from the beginning has been to build on antagonism. Like Hitler using the Jews. Now that they are big enough, they can dump the looney stuff and still keep many of their millions of believers.
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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robB
Please can you explain what this means? - They are, after all, our fellow moral agents
Angels (Good or Bad) are moral agents like us. We are not God. We are self aware. We are capable of good and bad.
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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Fixed!!!!
I think about determinism and free will all of the time. I can't make complete sense of it yet. Here are some things I really think deeply about:
I was chosen by God before time began. (Eph)
God will complete the work he has started in me. Election, Justification, Sanctification, Glorification (Rom)
God overrides people's freedom all over the OT and NT. (Think about the hardening of Pharaoh, think about Jews who had to reject Christ according to prophecy from Isaiah).
People are always begging God to override other people's free will when it comes to getting a job or getting a house or some other deal. (Please God, make them pick me! (but your will be done)(but oh please make them pick me!).
Do Satan and the Demons have free will? Does a demon ever do a good deed? They are, after all, our fellow moral agents
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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robB
sorry for the this, I typed a whole lot and it wouldn't show.
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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WHO WILL TEACH US THE TRUTH?
by The Searcher in8/15p.23par.14unitedfruitbearers just as the anointed "branches" of the "true vine" must remain in union with christ, the "other sheep" must remain in close union with "the faithful and discreet slave," christs anointed "brothers.
" only thus can they hope to inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the founding of the world.
w838/15p.24par.16unitedfruitbearersthe facts indicate that this grafting in went on until the mid-1930s.
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robB
It's incredible how people will still insist on believing the bible after being part of the JWs. It's like jumping from the frying pan into the fire. The only way we can find out what is true is by getting informed. Information comes from only one source: the honest and rational inquiry we call science. If scientific evidence discards the bible... fucking dismiss the damn book already! Don't insist on forcing a round peg in a square hole. Throw everything you know overboard and start back from the basics.
WRONG. Science is not the answer. Try using science to prove love. Live long enough and you will see science change it's mind. Science is nothing more than a helper. Science will never create life.
That you x-JWs have become athiests is consistent with the program of the false prophet. You've been manipulated, cheated and deceived. I can sympathize, although I've never been in the organization. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off. When you became a witness it was similar to buying a house, except that you didn't examine the foundation. You went in on the first floor and really liked the floor plan but you missed the basement. Had you examined the foundations of Jehovah's Witnesses and investigated Pastor Russell, you probably would have looked elsewhere.
The answer to the OP's question is the Bible and God. But you're probably reluctant after getting burned. I suggest you start with investigating the evidence for Jesus. If he is actually who he claimed to be, 'I Am', then he is the 'truth'. I recommend Lee Strobel's The Case For Christ as a resource to see how an athiest can uncover the facts of Jesus.
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Who or what "governs" the teachings of the so-called GOVERNING BODY?
by Terry inif a person walked up to you one day and started telling you what to do, how to do it, and threatening you if you refused, wouldn't you immediately ask them by what authority they had such a right?
wouldn't you want to see a badge?
credentials?
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robB
I'm voting 'demonic influence'. The GB is too corrupt and too well organinzed to be the workings of humble but misquided people. It ruins families, it kills people who need blood, it twists the true gospel. Think about it. How many people won't ever know Christ because of it? How many people will decide that there is no truth when they leave? It's perfect. The false prophet wins whether people stay or leave.