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  Where's this going? American soldiers call on Jehovah

  by fulltimestudent in

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  the song is 'days of elijah,' and the bit i'm referring to is about half way through, as they sing, "there is no god like jehovah":.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjz_ilp9c5a.

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  You guys are funny, first you say God’s name is not Jehovah and that the JWs have got it all wrong. Then when the Marines sing it you say “see JWs aren’t the only ones who use it” (JWs never said they were, but they’re the only ones who use it consistently). Whatever the situation, you are able to turn it around to bode negatively for JWs. But that goes for everyone and everything. Whatever truth there is, someone somewhere will dispute it. That’s called opinion. But that does not mean there is no truth.

  We must be careful that opinion does not crowd out the truth.
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  NWT is soooo inaccurate....

  by iwasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi this is for the lurkers.. please start reading from another translation and use tools like www.biblehub.com to verify the differences you find.. biblehub has an interlinear and a strongs concordance and heaps of dictionaries and commentaries.. you don't have to be a translator but you can clearly see how the watchtower bible and tract society has changed the bible to devalue jesus, to support their idea of a paradise earth hope for christians and many other false doctrines.. i could never understand why the jw's where attacked when they chose to translate the bible - now i know.. seriously people, there are a lot smarter people than me on this forum and heaps of research.

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  @jhine

  You don't know if the apostles didn't include Jehovah or equivalent in their wrings as the original manuscripts no longer exist. Apostasy crept into the christian congregation pretty soon after the last of them died and by the 3th century the teaching of the trinity was in full swing. The oldest known NT manuscripts are about 150 years after the last of the Apostles died. These do not have the divine name in them. In fact apparently there are no existing NT manuscripts with the divine name, not even where quotes are made from the OT where the name does appear, which is very strange. This is the reason why some scholars such as prof. George Howard believe that the divine name WAS included in the original writings of the apostles, because when you are quoting a scripture (from the OT) where the divine name obviously appeared (as in the dead sea scrolls) then the same name should appear in your quote otherwise it wouldn't be a quote. Another scholar ( Prof. Wolfgang Feneberg) makes a logical observation "He [Jesus] did not withhold his father's name YHWH from us, but he entrusted us with it. It is otherwise inexplicable why the first petition of the Lord's Prayer should read: 'May your name be sanctified!.........in pre-Christian manuscripts for Greek-speaking Jews, God's name was not paraphrased with kýrios [Lord], but was written in the tetragram form in Hebrew or archaic Hebrew characters. . . . We find recollections of the name in the writings of the Church Fathers".

  In any case, your argument that including the name Jehovah in the NT means a word was added is not true, a noun was substituted with a name. Nothing was added.
  
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  Why would Jesus have to ask God in the Lord's Prayer, to not lead us into Temptation, but deliver us from evil..?

  by Tater-T in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..... and then willingly be lead into temptation .

  he knows that's how a good god operates, so the first thing he does when installed as heavenly ruler... .

  he casts the ultimate tempter to the vicinity of the earth... so he can do it as much as possible.... has anyone ever noticed this flaw in the almighty ... he has to be told to do what is good , then doesn't do it ... man what a tool.. i guess he really does love us... lol.

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  Why would he have to ask?? ..... and then willingly be lead into Temptation

  
  The temptation is there regardless. Jesus's request was for God to help people resist Satan's temptation. "and deliver them from the wicked one"
  

  
  

  he casts the ultimate tempter to the vicinity of the earth... so he can do it as much as possible...

  Nothing to do with him being able to do it as much as possible. There is no difference between Satan having access to heaven and then being cast out and no longer having access. Satan can tempt the same wherever he is. Revelation says woe for the earth because of Satan's anger because he knows his days are numbered, not because he is in the vicinity of the earth.

  The issue which started this whole process of temptation etc. was the question whether mankind could live successfully independent of God. And could humans remain faithful to God despite Satan.
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  
  
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  NWT is soooo inaccurate....

  by iwasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi this is for the lurkers.. please start reading from another translation and use tools like www.biblehub.com to verify the differences you find.. biblehub has an interlinear and a strongs concordance and heaps of dictionaries and commentaries.. you don't have to be a translator but you can clearly see how the watchtower bible and tract society has changed the bible to devalue jesus, to support their idea of a paradise earth hope for christians and many other false doctrines.. i could never understand why the jw's where attacked when they chose to translate the bible - now i know.. seriously people, there are a lot smarter people than me on this forum and heaps of research.

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  @ berrygerry

  Jehovah is a recognized English version of YHWH.

  Don't strawman.

  It was EXTREMELY unused.

  Rutherford grabbed it as a brand, pure and simple.

  I didn't say it was used a lot, I said it was a recognized English version of the name of God, (as God is not a name). It wasn't used a lot, and that is precisely the point! Hence the inclusion of it in the NWT. Making God's name known.
  

  As for Rutherford grabbing it as a brand, that's rubbish.
  
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  NWT is soooo inaccurate....

  by iwasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi this is for the lurkers.. please start reading from another translation and use tools like www.biblehub.com to verify the differences you find.. biblehub has an interlinear and a strongs concordance and heaps of dictionaries and commentaries.. you don't have to be a translator but you can clearly see how the watchtower bible and tract society has changed the bible to devalue jesus, to support their idea of a paradise earth hope for christians and many other false doctrines.. i could never understand why the jw's where attacked when they chose to translate the bible - now i know.. seriously people, there are a lot smarter people than me on this forum and heaps of research.

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  Jehovah is a recognized English version of YHWH. Gosh, even Indiana Jones used it!
  
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  NWT is soooo inaccurate....

  by iwasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi this is for the lurkers.. please start reading from another translation and use tools like www.biblehub.com to verify the differences you find.. biblehub has an interlinear and a strongs concordance and heaps of dictionaries and commentaries.. you don't have to be a translator but you can clearly see how the watchtower bible and tract society has changed the bible to devalue jesus, to support their idea of a paradise earth hope for christians and many other false doctrines.. i could never understand why the jw's where attacked when they chose to translate the bible - now i know.. seriously people, there are a lot smarter people than me on this forum and heaps of research.

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  @berrygerry

  "Re: the origin of the word Jehovah that was in the Aid book - why did WTS remove that important piece of history from the Insight book"?

  You mean that it was coined by some Catholic monk? I have no idea, I would have left it there.
  
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  NWT is soooo inaccurate....

  by iwasblind in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi this is for the lurkers.. please start reading from another translation and use tools like www.biblehub.com to verify the differences you find.. biblehub has an interlinear and a strongs concordance and heaps of dictionaries and commentaries.. you don't have to be a translator but you can clearly see how the watchtower bible and tract society has changed the bible to devalue jesus, to support their idea of a paradise earth hope for christians and many other false doctrines.. i could never understand why the jw's where attacked when they chose to translate the bible - now i know.. seriously people, there are a lot smarter people than me on this forum and heaps of research.

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  You do know that that the app that goes with the NWT has the Byington, American Standard and King James parallel translations don't you? Many JWs use it and find it very useful when trying to get an accurate meaning for some difficult to understand scriptures. It has even been recommended to do this when doing personal study. JWs have never turned their noses up at other translations. And they had used the King James Version for a long time....

  Also: "In addition to the New World Translation, the Society has printed on its own presses or has commissioned the printing of the following Bible translations: the American Standard Version, The Bible in Living English, The Emphatic Diaglott, Holman’s Linear Parallel Edition, the King James Version (including the Bible Students Edition), and The New Testament Newly Translated and Critically Emphasized, Second Edition" -- WT 2009 5/1 p.25

  ".....Theocratic Ministry School library at the Kingdom Hall provides means for research in publications that might not otherwise be available. Thus, it should be well equipped with a variety of Bible translations......" --KM 4/97 Question Box

  The biggest reason for JWs using the NWT is that it has Gods name in it: All scriptures inspired and beneficial says on p. 327: "...... a number of modern Bible translations have been published that have done much to help lovers of God’s Word to get to the sense of the original writings quickly. However, many translations have eliminated the use of the divine name from the sacred record. On the other hand, the New World Translation dignifies and honors the worthy name of the Most High God by restoring it to its rightful place in the text."
  
  
  
  
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  Who is the Royal Commission?

  by John Aquila in

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  2. experiences

  so we have the english convention this week.

  a bunch of families whom i know but have not seen in a few years are attending.

  they are not assigned but got a group together to visit the city and attend a day or two of the convention.

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  I hate to burst your bubbles, you all think it's BIG news, but in reality its not. Only a minority like you guys will have noticed anything about the Royal Commission. Besides those directly and closely involved with it (whether it be survivors, institutions under investigation and all the staff of the commission and other government agencies such as the RC) not many people will even be aware of it. Sure, some newspapers, especially in Australia, have carried the story, but I don't think it has made headlines anywhere. So, the JWs were case 29. There were 28 cases before it and there will be a good number after it. After a few days it will have all blown over and no one will bat an eye lid. Sure, there will be changes, for the good, and that's the commissions goal. But as for anyone fanning the flames of this issue, especially case 29, I am afraid it's only you guys.
  
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  The Royal Commission and Watchtower - A game changer

  by Hidden-Window in

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  2. friends

  i had finished watching all the videos on the royal commission's investigation of jehovah's witnesses (yes, i know more videos are being released).

  i am still processing the information of everything that has emerged.

  i do not plan to cover it all here, but i would like to point out that it is patently obvious that some of the wt representatives provided misleading information.

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  re: Corporal Punishment Although it is not done so often now, it is still recommended.

  I have never seen it recommended. The way I have seen it put is that it depends on the child. Some children are timid and just a firm word suffices, some other children may need "stronger" reminders. If slapping my child works and he will not cross the road without me, then I would rather take that option than lose him to a car accident because I was too "sparing". This should not even have to be explained as it is common sense. No one here is insinuating beating a child! O.K, well perhaps this IS what Mr. Stewart had in mind, and Geoffrey Jackson understood and replied accordingly; No, JWs do not believe nor recommend beating children.
  
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  Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!

  by LostinJapan in

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  https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

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  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20150801/deborah-mother-in-israel/#?insight[search_id]=f6665dec-47b4-4f78-a789-c86aaad208a6&insight[search_result_index]=3