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Do you have any "one-liners" for drive-by witnessing?

by Faithful Witness in

i am looking for things i can say in passing, when i meet some of my jw friends.

we used to attend meetings, but have not been officially recognized yet, as apostates.

we were good and curious students, but fell away and were choked out by weeds.. since i will be renewing my bible student status soon, i am hoping this will open more windows into the organization.

leaving_quietly

(Off topic)

@Searcher:

The G.B. says that a G.B. was used to resolve the circumcision issue; Galatians 2:1-10 indicates the spirit used Paul to do so. Which is correct?

Agreed. You might find this interesting... something that was pointed out to me just yesterday. In Acts 15, who was it that said it was "my decision"? It was James. Which James? Some scholars say James, son of Alphaeus. Others, including WTS, says James, the fleshly brother of Christ. If it was James, son of Alphaeus, he was one of the 12 apostles. If he was James, the fleshly brother of Christ, he was not (although WTS says he was an "apostle" (using quotes around the word) in the Insight book under James). If he was the fleshly brother of Christ and NOT one of the 12 apostles, how could he be part of the first century governing body?

Also, it was pointed out to me that the circumcision issue specifically revolved around the Gentiles. They were not disputing circumcision of the Jews. In fact, Peter had previously address the issue of the circumcision of the Gentiles earlier (see Acts 11).

Back to the topic...

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WT and dual prophecies

by leaving_quietly in

growing up, i knew of two, maybe three dual prophecies in the bible espoused by wt, matt 24 being the main one (last days), daniel 4 being the other (2520 years), and possibly one other, but i can't recall from back then.

nowadays, it seems as if nearly every prophecy in the bible has two fulfillments, according to wt.

prophecies in jeremiah, malachi 3:1 (yep, right from the 7/15/13... how they get the "jesus inspected the spiritual temple" thing and now that russell was a forerunner to fds 2.0), even psalm 37 has a dual prophecy... most often applied to "paradise earth", it also applied during solomon's reign, when it was a time of peace.

leaving_quietly

Growing up, I knew of two, maybe three dual prophecies in the Bible espoused by WT, Matt 24 being the main one (last days), Daniel 4 being the other (2520 years), and possibly one other, but I can't recall from back then. Nowadays, it seems as if nearly every prophecy in the Bible has two fulfillments, according to WT. Prophecies in Jeremiah, Malachi 3:1 (yep, right from the 7/15/13... how they get the "Jesus inspected the spiritual temple" thing and now that Russell was a forerunner to FDS 2.0), even Psalm 37 has a dual prophecy... most often applied to "paradise earth", it also applied during Solomon's reign, when it was a time of peace. Is it me? Or are the dual prophecy interpretations proliferating at an alarming rate? Did I miss the dual prophecy bus in years past?

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WATCHTOWER IN A PANIC!

by JW GoneBad in

jws are in need of more kingdom halls in many major u.s. cities.

at this years agm where it is expected that most of the faithful will be able to listen to the meeting (being tied in by video), dont be surprised if the wts 8 gb members take part in a symposium delivering some long winded appeal, petition, plea, proposal, proposition, solicitation or otherwise hit-on the masses for $$$ in order to lighten the burden and overuse that many kingdom halls are experiencing.

an acquaintance from the west coast mentioned to me that in late august thru early september of this year that a number of pow-wows involving close to 5,000 elders from numerous areas (riverside, los angeles, ventura and orange counties) took place to drum up financial support from the 800+ (not sure) congregations in those areas.

leaving_quietly

Strange that they would focus on just a few counties in CA. Something's not quite right there.

As for that Sept 8 letter, this is an annual thing and really nothing to get all excited about. It's been going on for years. It's expensive, to be sure. Our cong. just agreed to pay approximately $250 per month for the next year. So nice that COs and DOs can get a new car every year or two, especially when we just KNOW they use them in field service and thus go through major wear and tear. (Yeah, that last sentence was complete sarcasm... I've never seen a C.O. use their publisher-paid-for car for field service.)

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Apostate article in new December 15, 2013 Watchtower lead article major contradiction of featured scripture 2 Thess. 2:1,2

by Poindexter Lionel Humperdique in

the below is the title and theme scripture of the lead article in the latest watchtower about apostates.

notice that the watchtower is unknowingly labeling themselves as an apostate, as the man of lawlessness, as we briefly review the context of its own theme scripture.. .

avoid being quickly shaken from your reason!.

leaving_quietly

Ah, the infamous ". . ." in the theme scripture. Again, an entire article out of context. *sigh*

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Are there ever any scriptural reasons why a man would get a separation from his wife?

by CrackingTheWhip in

*** lv pp.

220-221 the bibles view on divorce and separation ***.

willful nonsupport.

leaving_quietly

This is the very issue that led me to TTATT. If there is no scriptural basis for their three reasons for separation, then what else is there no scriptural basis for? And the floodgates opened...

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Faith v. Works

by Ding in

recently, i wanted to make sure i was being accurate about wt doctrine, so i read a number of wt articles about salvation.. i was surprised to see how many of them say that everlasting life is a gift based on the ransom sacrifice, that it can't be earned.. if you talk to a jw they may even quote this teaching.. yet if you try to tell a jw that the bible says the salvation comes by grace through faith, they immediately tell you that faith without works is dead and that you need to take in knowledge, obey god's laws, identify and join jehovah's organization, and for the rest of your life go door to door with the good news of jehovah's kingdom.. why do you think jws can't see the contradiction in all of this?.

how can we get across to them that this doesn't make sense?.

leaving_quietly

See my thread on this a few months back:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/248990/1/James-2-26-faith-without-works-is-dead

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Using the name Jehovah when praying

by Ding in

i know of number of jws who believe that if anyone doesn't address god as jehovah when praying that the prayer really goes to satan... especially if you pray to someone else (jesus, for example).. i haven't been able to find that specific teaching in wt literature.

they do say that we are to pray only to jehovah, but i haven't been able to locate a publication that says the prayer really goes to satan if you don't.. is there such a reference?.

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leaving_quietly

Er... Matt 6:9:

9?“YOU must pray, then, this way:
“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.

Where is the name "Jehovah" in that? This is Christ's own words. That's the logic I'd use.

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Pardon me, but Room 215 needs some assistance please.

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

room 215's request:.

"when i try to reset the password, they tell me to expect a new one in my email...which never arrives.

signed room 215. .

leaving_quietly

Just in case... try looking in the junk / spam folder.

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You owe me a cup of coffee! Said the elder who caught me in my pajamas just now.

by Julia Orwell in

jw
friends

said the elder who came to our door this morning.

last time he came we weren't in a position to give him one because we were doing a big cleanup.

today- well, i was in my pyjamas!.

leaving_quietly

The elder told us a tale of woe about his sister dying last night, and I gave my condolences.

Wait... wha??? His sister died last night and he's at your house? Either he's got no feelings whatsoever, or balls of steel. Wow. (Sorry, Simon, if that breaks any rules.)

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GOD'S CHANNEL of COMMUNICATION?

by The Searcher in

5 said this: "by word or action, may we never challenge the channel of communication that jehovah is using today".. why not?

because if jehovah is using someone, then what they say must be bible-based truth!

are the following statements bible-based truths?

leaving_quietly

(Wasn't the famous talk called, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"? w09 8/15 p. 16 par. 17)

Do a search for "Millions Now Living" on the WT Library CD and you'll find a mix of "May" vs. "Will", with some references to "May" dating back to 1955 (the earliest I found was w55 4/18 p. 236).

The phrase "Millions Now Living May Never Die" appears 21 times on the CD. All are references to the famous talk.

The phrase "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" appears 194 times on the CD. Not all are in reference to the famous talk.

Interestingly, the Proclaimers book says there were two talks with different titles (but the same substance):

A footnote in the Proclaimers book on page 719 says:

1918 The discourse “The World Has Ended—Millions Now Living May Never Die” is first delivered, on February 24, in Los Angeles, California. On March 31, in Boston, Massachusetts, the talk is entitled “The World Has Ended—Millions Now Living Will Never Die”

Looks like Rutherford started having doubts sometime between February 24 and March 31, 1918!

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