This thread made me think of what was reported to have happened in Bible times. Both Peter and Paul fell into trances and had some sort of communication with God / the holy spirit. (Acts 11:5; 22:17) Both were praying at the time. Makes me wonder if the "visions" in the Bible were also as a result of a trance-like state.
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God listens and RESPONDS to your prayer if you know how to log on to Him! Here is the proof.
by exWTslave inall my family members and friends (that include some elders) advised me to divorce my wife whose only joy was to pick up fight with me for everything i do, except my grand-mother who said: when you married her, you looked for only her good pointher regular pioneering despite having an opposing family.
for being good, you will ultimately reap something far better through her.
stick on to her.
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Is Armageddon part of the Great Tribulation? what was WT writers word?
by prologos inor put into other words:.
is armageddon included in in "all the things" that are to come to pass during the 'generation' that jesus spoke about?.
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*** w08 5/15 p. 16 par. 19 Deliverance by God’s Kingdom Is at Hand! ***
When we remember that on one occasion it took just one angel only a single night to “strike down a hundred and eighty-five thousand” of God’s enemies, we can be confident that the heavenly army will easily destroy every vestige of Satan’s system on earth as the great tribulation culminates in Armageddon.This, of course, flies in the face of scripture.
Matt 24:29:
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. -
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God listens and RESPONDS to your prayer if you know how to log on to Him! Here is the proof.
by exWTslave inall my family members and friends (that include some elders) advised me to divorce my wife whose only joy was to pick up fight with me for everything i do, except my grand-mother who said: when you married her, you looked for only her good pointher regular pioneering despite having an opposing family.
for being good, you will ultimately reap something far better through her.
stick on to her.
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leaving_quietly
I have no reason to doubt your account and it took great courage to post it here where you likely knew you'd be mocked. Thanks for sharing.
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Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?
by Bart Belteshassur ini haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.
in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.
once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.
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leaving_quietly
There is no need to disprove 607 B.C.E. One must first prove that there is a prophecy that points to 1914 in the first place.
Here's the Society's official stance: http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914
Now, go READ Daniel 4 in its entirety and see if there's any room left for a SECOND fulfillment of the vision. Specifically verse 24.
If there is no second fulfillment, then the whole 1914 chronology thing falls apart.
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leaving_quietly
Wow. Color, no less.
I'm amazed at how, um, sexy, that woman is. Doesn't even have any baby fat after having just given birth. Amazing!
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New Campaign
by awakenyr2004 inthe largest in history is what they are all buzzing about.
does this mean that jehovah will save the internet at armageddon?.
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leaving_quietly
LOL! Good question!
I wonder how this will turn out, though. In our cong. there are significantly fewer Auxiliary Pioneers than the first time the 30-hour requirement was announced. Thus far, it's a bust on that front.
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Elders are more loyal to a rubber stamp
by Rattigan350 inisn't it amazing that the elders are more loyal to a rubber stamp on a letter from new york or whatever branch, than they are to the people they know and have known for years in their own congregation?.
when you think about that, the reason is that they get their power from that rubber stamp.
that is what appointed them, and that is what can unappoint them.
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leaving_quietly
Interesting thought. Words on a piece of paper are very powerful. Thus the saying, "The pen is mightier than the sword."
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Why are there NO articles about JW near death experiences and death bed visions?
by freeatlast36 inmy dad died recently and was a long time jw.
we have had some interesting experiences with his passing and have been researching for other jw stories and there are none.
anyone know why?
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leaving_quietly
Along the same lines, what about "connected" experiences, such as siblings who intrinsically know the other one is in trouble, or has even died? That seems to happen with twins, but it has even happened with siblings. I know of one JW sister who knew when her fleshly brother died before she was even told. She said she just had this unexplainable feeling that something terrible happened to him. It's not something JWs talk about much, either.
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Will the JW.Org Site make a difference ?
by Phizzy init will obviously make a difference to how jw's obtain their literatrash, they will have to download and print it all themselves before long.. it will make a small difference to the dtod work, they will now refer even genuine questions and interest etc to the site, not taking the opportunity to "witness" on the initial call at all.
this has been happening already to a degree.. the difference i am mainly interested in is the capture of new suckers in to the borg.. we will be able to see when we get 2014's figures, sometime next year, what the rate of increase was over the last ten years.. phizzy the prophet predicts that the rate of increase over the next ten years will not be significantly up.
probably down, but certainly, i feel, not so different from the last ten.. should i be around in ten years to do so, i will wish to ask jw's:.
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You know, in thinking about this, who cares about number of visitors? It's about as helpful as number of return visits or bible studies. What matters is number of actual converts. Professional companies who look at their website statistics only view the number of unique visitors as a portion of the equation. It's called a conversion rate. What's the conversion rate? How many of the visitors become actual, paying customers?
The Bible doesn't have any passages that describes the number of people the disciples talked to, or the number of return visits, or the number of Scripture studies (they didn't have a Bible back then). They only reported the number actually baptized.
My point is, stating the number of visitors is simply a way to boast, and really means nothing. Of COURSE there's going to be an increase in the number of visitors with this campaign. No question about it. Draw attention to any site and more people will visit it. Briefly. In a month or so, the number of visitors with drop back down to the normal range, possibly a little higher. The more important figure is the number of people where are actually converted due to their exposure to the website as the FIRST introduction to the religion.
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Will the JW.Org Site make a difference ?
by Phizzy init will obviously make a difference to how jw's obtain their literatrash, they will have to download and print it all themselves before long.. it will make a small difference to the dtod work, they will now refer even genuine questions and interest etc to the site, not taking the opportunity to "witness" on the initial call at all.
this has been happening already to a degree.. the difference i am mainly interested in is the capture of new suckers in to the borg.. we will be able to see when we get 2014's figures, sometime next year, what the rate of increase was over the last ten years.. phizzy the prophet predicts that the rate of increase over the next ten years will not be significantly up.
probably down, but certainly, i feel, not so different from the last ten.. should i be around in ten years to do so, i will wish to ask jw's:.
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leaving_quietly
Our hall has someone. prob soon to become publisher. he requested study thru website. Young,educated,good looking. Exactly the type of person you would think would have nothing to do with the Borg.
That happened in our hall a couple of years ago, right when I was starting to wake up. The guy became a publisher, even went in service with him. I couldn't understand why he would join. But, soon after becoming a publisher, he "began to have doubts" and moved out of the territory. That was the end of him being a publisher.