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WT 11/15/2014 - Who are the two witnesses mentioned in Revelation chapter 11?

by leaving_quietly in

math has never been a strong suit of wtbts.. see the question from readers on page 30:.

"how long did this inspection and cleansing.

work take?

leaving_quietly

*** w50 7/15 p. 217 par. 3 Postwar Enlargement of the Theocratic Organization ***
So the enemy seized upon it as part of their proof that the Society’s president and other members of the organization closely associated with him were guilty of sedition against the government, and Brother Rutherford and seven others were railroaded off to federal penitentiary in the spring of 1918, under sentences of 80 years in prison, and without benefit of bail for their freedom till appeal to a higher court should be effected. After nine months in the penitentiary bail was granted them on March 21, 1919, and they were released.

So, apparently, 3 1/2 days = 9 months. According to other sources, "spring of 1918" = "June 20, 1918" (w51 7/1 p. 409 par. 4) or 274 days. Thus, each "day" of the symbolic 3 1/2 days = 78.28571428571429 literal days.

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Publisher Statistics

by lurkernomore in

i was watching a couple videos on youtube earlier and always like to peruse the comments at the bottom of the page.. i'm no sure if this has been discussed recently, but one indivdual made the claim that the societies numbers are massively over inflated, as he/she believes that they include inactive, df'd and da'd in their figures.. does anyone have any information to confirm this or i this just another assumption made without evidence?.

(also has anyone heard from witnessmyfury lately?

i had a pm chat with him a few days ago but not had a reply to my latest msgs.

leaving_quietly

Why does WT publish stats?

Good question, and one I was pondering last night. As we all know, nowhere in the NT is there any command of continually counting publishers, hours, etc. Can we think about a Bible example of someone who decided to do something like that?

Well, Jehovah commanded a census be taken a few times, but they had very specific purposes. However, when David did it, there was no specific purpose stated, except: "so that I may know the number of the people". Why was this a sin? According to WTBTS, it's probably because he was incited by Satan to do so (or, perhaps a "bad human counselor", explains the Insight book, since the word rendered Satan could also mean "a resister"). (1 Chron 21:1) The Insight book further says, "On David’s part, there may have been wrong motive due to pride and trust in the numbers of his army, hence a failing to manifest full reliance on Jehovah. In any case, it is clear that on this occasion David’s chief concern was not that of glorifying God."

Now, who incites WTBTS to take a continual census? And what is the reason for that? Who is WTBTS trusting in to get the preaching work done? Could it be pride in numbers?

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WT 11/15/2014 - Who are the two witnesses mentioned in Revelation chapter 11?

by leaving_quietly in

math has never been a strong suit of wtbts.. see the question from readers on page 30:.

"how long did this inspection and cleansing.

work take?

leaving_quietly

Math has never been a strong suit of WTBTS.

See the Question From Readers on page 30:

"How long did this inspection and cleansing
work take? It extended from 1914 to the early part
of 1919. This period of time includes both the
1,260 days (42 months) and the symbolic three
and a half days referred to in Revelation chapter
11."

And the accompanying chart:

Go here and try for yourself:

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html

Or, if you don't want to:

"from 1914" is when? Presumably, October, since that's when they say the Kingdom was born.

Starting with October 1, 1914, adding 1260 days brings us to March 14, 1918.

They view the 42 months (1260 days) as one time period, then another 3 1/2 days (this is symbolic, of course...)

From that, they get to 1914.

In order to do that, the 3 1/2 days would not follow the day for a year principle, otherwise, it would be ANOTHER 1,260 days, by the statement in the paragraph above and the chart on that page, which would bring us to August 25, 1921. But, they are not viewing this second 3 1/2 days as 3 1/2 years. Just what are they viewing it as? Who knows. It's "symbolic". If the 1,260 days is literal, then the 3 1/2 days should be literal, too, right? Oh, wait... WTBTS mixes up literal and symbolic/figurative whenever it suits them. But, let's say they are literal. This would make the full period of the 1,260 days plus 3 1/2 days equal to 1263.5 days which brings us to sometime on March 17, 1918.

There is NO WAY to get from 1914 to 1919 using the math in Revelation 11.

Am I wrong? Is my math off?

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11-15 WT- Drinking before meetings

by Absalom in

to be holy, we must weigh the scriptures carefully and do what god asks of us.

consider aarons sons nadab and abihu, who were executed for offering unauthorized fire, perhaps while inebriated.

(lev.

leaving_quietly

Wow... I first thought this was a bit of satire. But, nope, it's in the article on page 17, par. 18. I'm stunned. Of course, his is from an organization who officially defined drunkenness at last year's District Convention as "4 or 5 drinks".

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BOE * 2014-07-15 Witnessing in public places REVISION

by WatchTower87 in

boe * 2014-07-15 witnessing in public places revision.

old version: 2014-05-01 witnessing in public places pdf: http://adf.ly/qagwu.

new version: 2014-07-15 witnessing in public places pdf: http://adf.ly/r6tsl.

leaving_quietly

And, of course, publishers have to apply for their own permits/licenses with their own money under their own name. Not even the congregation is permitted to pay for it. Nice.

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JW.org down?

by jw07 in

i'm seeing tons of comments from sad jws on my facebook feed saying that the beloved golden calf jw.org is offline.. what are you seeing when you try it?

*crosses fingers* i wish it could never ever return.. are they getting too much traffic to support?.

work of hackers?

leaving_quietly

I knew I could count on you, Outlaw!

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APOLOGIST site addresses APOSTATE complaints

by Terry in

this is a guess on my part.

the watchtower society is using guerilla tactics to unofficially deal with apostatesthrough back channels.. .

the bibles view the primary source for this minisite.gentile times reconsidered again, this time using the bible complete article appears in appendix asetting the record straight also sourced for this website.rolf furuli professor at university of oslo who supports 607jehovahs witnesses united apologetics, etc.the watchtower society as a un ngo demolishing the conspiracy theoryjw child abuse policy exposing the myths

leaving_quietly

The one apologist site re-hashes the lie that I used to spread too:

@berrygerry, why do you say this was a lie? Is it because that talk was given in September, 1942, but the Declaration of the United Nations was signed on January 1, 1942? According to the link below, this is the case, but it ends stating: "The United Nations came into existence on October 24, 1945, after 29 nations had ratified the Charter." So, I read it as, it began to be formed on 1/1/1945, but came to fruition officially on 10/24/1945. Of course, the talk was nine months after the signing of the Declaration of the United Nations, so maybe there was already an inkling of this in the works that Knorr got wind of and made an educated guess in his talk.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/un

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JW.org down?

by jw07 in

i'm seeing tons of comments from sad jws on my facebook feed saying that the beloved golden calf jw.org is offline.. what are you seeing when you try it?

*crosses fingers* i wish it could never ever return.. are they getting too much traffic to support?.

work of hackers?

leaving_quietly

Probably a programming error:

Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.

There's probably some sort of circular redirection going on that would put it in an endless loop. They'll figure it out... eventually.

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JW.org funny statistics

by thedepressedsoul in

i went to alexa.com to see some stats on jw.org.

for some reason it still mentions it as watchtower.com but i'm sure that'll be updated at time.. .

two funny statistics i noticed.. .

leaving_quietly

How the heck does Alexa know the education level of people who visited?

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APOLOGIST site addresses APOSTATE complaints

by Terry in

this is a guess on my part.

the watchtower society is using guerilla tactics to unofficially deal with apostatesthrough back channels.. .

the bibles view the primary source for this minisite.gentile times reconsidered again, this time using the bible complete article appears in appendix asetting the record straight also sourced for this website.rolf furuli professor at university of oslo who supports 607jehovahs witnesses united apologetics, etc.the watchtower society as a un ngo demolishing the conspiracy theoryjw child abuse policy exposing the myths

leaving_quietly

So you must decide, will you accept the chronology as recorded in the Holy Bible, God's view, or will you accept the chronology of secular historians and the view of imperfect man?

I dunno...

From the RNWT:

"And Sol′o·mon had 4,000* stalls of horses for his chariots and 12,000 horses." - 1 Kings 4:26 (footnote reads "This figure is found in some manuscripts and in the parallel account. Other manuscripts say 40,000.")
"And Sol′o·mon had 4,000 stalls for his horses and chariots and 12,000 horses," - 2 Chron 9:25

From the old NWT:

"And Sol′o·mon came to have forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots and twelve thousand horsemen." - 1 Kings 4:26
"And Sol′o·mon came to have four thousand stalls of horses and chariots and twelve thousand steeds," - 2 Chron 9:25

Clearly, we can see that "imperfect men" can not only have contradictions in the Holy Bible, but can change said Holy Bible on a whim. So, which do I trust????

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