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  The starting event of the Watchtower's "70 Years"?

  by Doug Mason in

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  according to the watchtower society, which event marked the start of the "70 years".

  on which day and month did that event occur?.

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  leaving_quietly

  The 4th of Ab, 455 B.C.E.
  

  In Nisan (March-April) of the 20th year of Artaxerxes’ rule (455 B.C.E.), Nehemiah petitioned the king: “If your servant seems good before you, . . . send me to Judah, to the city of the burial places of my forefathers, that I may rebuild it.” (Ne 2:1, 5) The king granted permission, and Nehemiah made the long journey from Shushan to Jerusalem. On about the fourth of Ab (July-August), after making a night inspection of the walls, Nehemiah gave the command to the Jews: “Come and let us rebuild the wall of Jerusalem, that we may no longer continue to be a reproach.” (Ne 2:11-18) Thus, “the going forth of the word” to rebuild Jerusalem, as authorized by Artaxerxes, was put into effect by Nehemiah in Jerusalem that same year. This clearly establishes 455 B.C.E. as the year from which the 70 weeks would begin to count. it-2 p. 900
  

  Interestingly, earlier in this same Insight volume, it mentions that the 20th year may not have started until Tishri (September/October) by Nehemiah's reckoning:

  The month of Chislev (November-December) of a certain 20th year is the reference point with which the historical narrative begins. (Ne 1:1) As is evident from Nehemiah 2:1, this 20th year must be that of Artaxerxes’ reign. Obviously, the 20th year in this case is not reckoned as starting in Nisan (March-April), for Chislev of the 20th year could not then precede Nisan (mentioned at Ne 2:1) of the same 20th year. So it may be that Nehemiah used his own count of time, reckoning the lunar year as beginning with Tishri (September-October), which month Jews today recognize as the beginning of their civil year. Another possibility is that the reign of the king was reckoned from the actual date that the monarch ascended the throne. This could be so even though the Babylonian scribes continued to reckon the years of the Persian king’s reign on their customary basis of a Nisan-to-Nisan count, as their cuneiform tablets show they did. it-2 p. 487-488

  But, to answer your question, Ab 4, 455 B.C.E.
  
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  The Congregational Make Up Research Project: WTB&TS wants to know you.

  by oppostate in

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  2. beliefs

  we have a bethel speaker on the english side.

  they're pretty regular up here since it's only three and a half hours drive from nyc.. but this is a special kind of visit.. it turns out he's involved in doing a special research project and the christian congregation of jw's wants to know us better.. in order for the broadcasting to address issues more meaningful for families, they want to know the demographic make up of the congregations.. he spoke with the secretary about young single publishers and couples 20-35 y.o.

  how are they employed.

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  leaving_quietly

  A Witness soap opera.

  You may be onto something there. Or at least some sort of episodic program with an ongoing storyline.
  
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  "Death will be no more" - ONLY earthly blessing?

  by TheWonderofYou in

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  todays daily text refers to a new?

  explanation for doorkeepers that "death will be no more" would only refer to an earthly blessing, because it would be logically according to the text that in heaven no one ever died or death had never been there.

  seems like wishful argument for the earthly paradise.. dont forget the 144000 members of the heavenly class that will receive heavenly blessing after death and used for decades rev.

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  leaving_quietly

  Logically, then, Revelation 21:4 must be referring to future blessings here on earth.

  Well, duh... Revelation 21:2 says that, Sherlock! "I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
  
  
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  What would happen if...

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  in an effort to excuse yourself from elder persecution, you present an argument.

  whether at a jc or just in an average elder shepherding call.

  most people who have confronted a jc, have tried to explain to the elders about what they know of the org but the incriminating questions always come up.. when confronted with the question, do you still believe the gb is the f&ds?

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  do you still believe the GB is the F&DS ?

  How can I? Even THEY didn't believe it until 2012 when they announced it at the Annual Meeting. I mean, come on! Over 90 years and they didn't know they were the F&DS?!?!?!
  
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  "well beyond the intent of the scriptures" 7:44

  by biblexaminer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  if you have the jw app running on your tablet, watch the latest (may) governing broadcast and hear tony the jackass, and when you get to 7 minutes and 44 seconds ...hit the pause button.. read the words at the bottom of the screen as per the jw app close captioning.. "well beyond the intent of the scriptures" .

  he is describing the governing body past, like the ghost of christmas past.

  yes, the governing body past were a bunch of freaking yahoo's violating 1 cor.

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  In context, he was talking about the early 1900s. He says: "In the early 1900s, the focus was on preaching the good news. Little attention was given to building strong Christian marriages and families. For a time, marriage was even discouraged, well beyond the intent of the scriptures."
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  Gorby says goodbye

  by Gorbatchov in

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  my eyes for ttatt opened in 1995 with the generation change and the wt magazine stated "some witness thought that the generation started in 1914".

  since 1997, with internet at low speed, i followed h2o hourglass, www.xjw.com and later on www.jehovahs-witness.net.. did a bachelor and post bachelor since then.. now, nearly completed with fading, i feel it's time to go on with my life and do some other things, spending more time with my wife abd children instead of thinking about jw topics in my head.

  goal is being a better person and less grumpy at 45.... everything what could be said is already said.

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  Best to you Gorby!
  
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  Today's Study - Shun Disfellowshipped Family, Don't Marry Outsiders, Tell On Others!

  by Divergent in

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  2. friends

  urghhh... what a disgusting study!7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

  for example, a sister named anne received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

  the mother wanted to visit anne because she felt pained by her isolation from the family.

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  They love to use 2 John 1:10,11, don't they? Let's review:

  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.
  

  Ok, fair enough, but what is "this teaching?" Let's back up and see the context.

  Look out for yourselves, so that you do not lose the things we have worked to produce, but that you may obtain a full reward. 9 Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.

  Hmm. The "teaching of the Christ." Let's see:

  • Did Christ teach about a paradise earth?
  • Did Christ teach that only 144,000 will go to heaven?
  • Did Christ teach that he would come in 1914?

  If the answer to any of these is "yes," please show me from the Bible. If any of these are, no, then let's go back to 2 John and review verse 9.
  

  Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God.

  I ask, then, who, really should be "shunned?"
  
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  Ring Home Security commercial featuring JW's

  by duc007az in

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  2. beliefs

  the other day i was perusing on facebook and stumbled on a sponsored advertisement for ring home security.

  the commercial was saying how you can monitor unwanted soliciting without answering the door.

  anyway, the solicitors at the door were jw's offering the awake and watchtower.

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  leaving_quietly

  Doubt it was a commercial... probably a customer story that the customer took down. Couldn't find this one, but found another one under their customer stories on the website. Gray bible gives it away.
  

  https://ring.com/customer-stories#do-not-disturb
  
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  WILL this be New Light? Is the Watchtower preparing to say out loud, Jesus is Jehovah?

  by Terry in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk7ertncbsk

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  WT isn't saying "Lord" is Jehovah in these footnotes. The footnotes are saying that those particular J references are translating "Lord" as "Jehovah" or "Jehovah God". For example, the footnote on 1 Pet 3:15 in Rbi8 says:

  “The Christ as Lord,” אABC; TR, “the Lord God”; J7,8,11-14,16,17,24, “Jehovah God.”

  This is saying that:

  אABC translate it as "The Christ as Lord

  TR translate as "the Lord God

  J7,8,11-14,16,17,24 translate it as "Jehovah God"

  At least, that's how I'm reading these footnotes.
  
  
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  Prince's will

  by wannaexit in

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  2. friends

  is it possible that watchtower is in possession of prince's will and the legal department is waiting for the until things settle down to produce it?.

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  There was no will. I read an article today (can't find it at the moment) that said state law is that the estate is supposed to be split up equally among his siblings when there is no will. This article shows there was no will and an administrator was appointed by the county to manage his estate. I doubt WTBTS has any sort of legal claim to his estate. Nothing would surprise me, but somehow, I think not this time.