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Rivercrest Luxury Apartments

by tezrichmond in

i was totally p***d off about watchtower teaching u should keep your life simple and not investing in treasures in the earth etc while they are buying luxury apartments and forcing its residents out on the street including children.

so i got on with an email and sent it as follows.

if any from uk want to launch a complaint go to http://www.frsb.org.uk/donors/.

leaving_quietly

@leaving_q that 11.5 million was paid for the land.

Ah. My misunderstanding of the article. Seems you're right about that based on other articles I found.I kinda thought $11.5 million was too cheap. But, in building projects, a lot of cost is in labor, so with free labor, it's hard to estimate.

Also, I was thinking about the purchase. We can't say for sure it was with donated funds, of course. The sell-off in Brooklyn probably paid for these in full without use of CURRENT donated funds. So, I retract that part of my statement. Basically, I'm saying: I don't know where those funds are coming from. I probably shouldn't speak about something I know nothing about.

Complain about this if you feel strongly about it, but it seems like there are so many other things more worth griping over.

Well said.

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Rivercrest Luxury Apartments

by tezrichmond in

i was totally p***d off about watchtower teaching u should keep your life simple and not investing in treasures in the earth etc while they are buying luxury apartments and forcing its residents out on the street including children.

so i got on with an email and sent it as follows.

if any from uk want to launch a complaint go to http://www.frsb.org.uk/donors/.

leaving_quietly

Luxury apartments or not, the issue is the price and the use of donated funds. The article states the sale price is not known, but the transfer tax indicates it was around $57 million, making it $228,000 per unit (250 units) BEFORE remodeling. You can be sure remodeling WILL happen. On top of that, the $21.6 million for the Hampton Inn in Newburgh, and the 48 unit apartment complex in Suffern (undisclosed price). So far, the $78.6 million in housing purchases is nearly 7 times as much as the estimated cost of building the Warwick HQ ($11.5 million according to http://observer.com/2011/09/all-along-the-watchtower/)

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Whatever Happened to The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures?

by Chalam in

whatever happened to the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures?part 1. print/download: pdfdoc.

the watchtower says on page 5 of the 1985 edition of the kit:.

there is no definite article in the greek before the word god in john 1:6, yet the wt translates it god, with a capital g!.

leaving_quietly

I agree. The KIT (1985) and Emphatic Diaglott have been instrumental in helping me see the translation issues in the NWT, including the perversion of passages with Kyrios. While I haven't gone through every occurrence, even I, a non-scholarly person, can see the dishonesty involved. It's pretty simple to use the WT Library to search for a passage to see if the use of Jehovah in the Greek Scriptures is based on something from the Hebrew Scriptures. I've only done this a for a few instances as my study focus has not been on God's name, so it hasn't interested me to a huge degree. But the little I have studied on this convinces me of that the NWT translation committee is less than honest with handling God's name.

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Please post new forum feedback or questions here

by Simon in

well, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.

leaving_quietly

Nice job.

I noticed that when I click on my username, it shows a much few number of posts and topics than I actually had. Is this because it's still synchronizing to the cloud? (Mine currently says 11 posts in 0 topics)

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RNWT Bible Needs to be Revised Again!

by The Searcher in

i'll restrain myself from commenting on jw.org's perversion of this scripture - i'll leave that to others.. however, for lurkers and active witnesses here, why not ask one of your local glorious ones to explain how these non-scriptural words found their way into the silver sword, but don't appear in the original greek, or even in the kingdom interlinear.. (2 corinthians 9:13) "through the proof that this relief ministry gives, they glorify god because you are submissive to the good news about the christ, as you publicly declared, and because you are generous in your contribution to them and to all.".

https://www.blueletterbible.org/bible.cfm?b=2co&c=9&t=kjv#s=t_conc_1087013.

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leaving_quietly

If other Bbile versions don't suppoort the WTs deceptions the only choice they had was to write their own.

Which they freely admit, though under the guise of "restoring God's name".

"Confess" or "confession" (the word most used in other translations for homologias in this verse) is not a word WTBTS likes to use in association with Christ or God or the good news. It's a perfectly legitimate word, though in the English language, confessing has a negative connotation, as in admitting a wrong. I'll have to do a more in-depth word study, but I'm willing to bet that "confess" or variants in the RNWT only appear contextually with sin. A quick word search in the WT Library CD shows this is probably the case.

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RNWT Bible Needs to be Revised Again!

by The Searcher in

i'll restrain myself from commenting on jw.org's perversion of this scripture - i'll leave that to others.. however, for lurkers and active witnesses here, why not ask one of your local glorious ones to explain how these non-scriptural words found their way into the silver sword, but don't appear in the original greek, or even in the kingdom interlinear.. (2 corinthians 9:13) "through the proof that this relief ministry gives, they glorify god because you are submissive to the good news about the christ, as you publicly declared, and because you are generous in your contribution to them and to all.".

https://www.blueletterbible.org/bible.cfm?b=2co&c=9&t=kjv#s=t_conc_1087013.

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leaving_quietly

I want to add that, thankfully, WTBTS has not linked this verse to the field ministry. It's not an often referenced verse, either. They simply say that submitting to the good news is evidenced by generosity in giving.

At 2 Corinthians 9:13 contributions made in behalf of needy fellow Christians are shown to be an evidence of an individual’s submissiveness to the good news, it being a Christian obligation to assist needy fellow believers. - it-2 p. 1041

Yes, the good news of God’s kingdom becomes meaningful to people when they see the effect it has on the personalities of those embracing it, the generosity and love of neighbor that it generates. Such thoughtful service and giving to others not only causes these to feel gratitude toward the human givers but also “overflows in a flood of thanksgiving to God.” It recommends true Christianity as the finest way of life, as true worship of a kind and loving God. - w75 12/1 pp. 718-719

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RNWT Bible Needs to be Revised Again!

by The Searcher in

i'll restrain myself from commenting on jw.org's perversion of this scripture - i'll leave that to others.. however, for lurkers and active witnesses here, why not ask one of your local glorious ones to explain how these non-scriptural words found their way into the silver sword, but don't appear in the original greek, or even in the kingdom interlinear.. (2 corinthians 9:13) "through the proof that this relief ministry gives, they glorify god because you are submissive to the good news about the christ, as you publicly declared, and because you are generous in your contribution to them and to all.".

https://www.blueletterbible.org/bible.cfm?b=2co&c=9&t=kjv#s=t_conc_1087013.

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leaving_quietly

I'm not so sure this is actually an incorrect translation. Biased, yes. Incorrect? Maybe not.

The Greek word is homologias, which means, "an agreement, confession" (Strong's 3671). The root word is homologeo (Strong's 3670) that has, as one of it's meanings, "I publicly declare". Note this from biblehub.com:

3671 /homología ("common confession") can refer to the collective agreement of Christians about what God loves and hates – and the courage to proclaim it! See also 3670 (homologéō).

That said, this is definitely an eisegetical translation... picking the meaning that the organization wants to as to get their biased point across.

There is another Greek word, anaggelló (Strong's 312), that means "to announce (in detail) -- declare, rehearse, report, show, speak, tell".

It would be interesting to see what the real differences are between these two words. I don't really know. I'll have to make a project out of it.

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Who the Great Crowd Are Baptized To

by lambsbottom in

great crowd jws are not baptized like the annointed are.

the great crowd's baptism does not wash them of their sins, making them sinless, until way after armageddon (1,000 year rule).

but the annointed are washed of their sins being 'sinless', as the recent wt study stated.

leaving_quietly

BTW, all sarcasm aside, my response is the typical one JWs will give you. You have, of course, poked yet another hole in WT theology.

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Who the Great Crowd Are Baptized To

by lambsbottom in

great crowd jws are not baptized like the annointed are.

the great crowd's baptism does not wash them of their sins, making them sinless, until way after armageddon (1,000 year rule).

but the annointed are washed of their sins being 'sinless', as the recent wt study stated.

leaving_quietly

Where does wt say this John baptism is only for the gc?

They don't say this. But they DO say that baptism into Christ's baptism is only for the anointed. Thus, the inference is that the GC are NOT baptized into Christ. The only other option is John's baptism.

Ok, so if the GC is not baptized into Christ, then they do not have the Spirit of God in them and have no life in them and will NOT be given life.

Is this what the WT is trying to say?

Well, no... see... erm... let me explain this to you... ??? Um...

Only those baptized into Christ are anointed. And those are only the 144,000.

And, just you never mind what the Bible says. The Greek scriptures were primarily written only for the anointed, so what they say doesn't actually apply to the GC. So, stop asking such silly questions!

In the decades after the first members of the congregation of anointed Christians were chosen, Jehovah saw fit to have a permanent record made of the earthly ministry of Jesus as well as His dealings with and counsel to first-century anointed Christians. Jehovah thus added the inspired Christian Greek Scriptures to the already existing inspired Hebrew Scriptures. The Hebrew Scriptures were written in the first place for the fleshly nation of Israel during the time that they had a special relationship with God. The Christian Greek Scriptures were written primarily for “the Israel of God,” those anointed as brothers of Christ and spiritual sons of God. Of course, that in no way suggests that non-Israelites could not derive great benefit from studying the Hebrew Scriptures. Similarly, Christians who are not anointed with holy spirit derive immeasurable benefits from studying and living according to the counsel found in the Christian Greek Scriptures. w08 1/15 p. 22 par. 11

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How do you overcome this JW excuse?

by EdenOne in

during one of those meetings that took place before my jc, one of the elders, who was a good friend of mine back then and used to come up with a few outlandish personal views about some teachings, attempted to counter one of my arguments like this:.

eden - "well, if the truth doesn't change, why is it that what we teach as 'truth' has changed over the years (several examples given)?

how can we dogmatically claim at any given moment that we have 'the truth' if our teachings keep changing?".

leaving_quietly

Or, "What you just said invalidates Jesus' words at John 4:24: 'God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth'."

leaving_quietly

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