Posts by panhandlegirl

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Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

by life is to short in

on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

panhandlegirl

Sorry, I hit they button to soon.

I agree that the advice given is correct and agree with what 00DAD posted. Also,as another poster stated, when children are taught to obey without question, it becomes easier for pedophiles to abuse them. Children should be encourged to protest if they feel they do not like what is being done to them, but the borg has not promoted this.This also goes for adult members. The organization demands obedience without dissent from all it's members. The borg has already been found wanting in protecting it's members from abuse by it's policy of keeping secret the presense of these pedophiles in the congregations. They are being hypocritical in what they say in this book. Candace told and it did not do her any good until she got an attotney. The borg refused to help her!! A child or a young person should never be made to feel responsible for the abuse. How in the world can a child behave seductively or ask for the abuse. That is just absurd.

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Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

by life is to short in

on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

panhandlegirl

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What are the chances that someone will return to the Borg. after 10-20yrs.?

by jam in

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now in my case my family probably.

think, because i am living in sin ( not married but we have.

been togather for 18 yrs.

panhandlegirl

I am a born-in, out 20 years, I would never ever return even though some in my family believe that I will. When I left, I never intended to go back. After what I have learned since leaving, my resolve to avoid that organization like the plague has only increased .My brother was df'd at age 17, he is now 64. He has never contemplated returning. We are both over and out!!

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Just venting - I hate the Society.

by donny in

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panhandlegirl

So sorry for your plight, I am in a somewhat similar situation. Thank goodness I never alowed my children to get baptized and they are not part of the borg. All my family, including cousins and aunts/uncles are part of the borg and so no one has anything to do with me. I know it is harder for you because it's your son. I hate the organization and hope it's demise will come soon. They have destroyed so many familes it's unbelievable. I hope your son sees the light of the real truth. Don't give up hope. I am sure he will truly miss your relationship.

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Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie (redux)

by Leolaia in

in september 2004, farkel posted an article on this forum called "rutherford exposed: the story of berta and bonnie.

" his essay, which subsequently was translated into several languages and which received over 10,000 views after the first month, spawned a thread that ran 28 pages and contained the collaborative research efforts of many in jwd.

this thread was thought by some moderators to be the best in the forum -- not necessarily because of the claims in the original essay but because it inspired a staggering amount of research aimed at assessing the credibility of the claims made in the essay, as well as adding to our knowledge of this fascinating yet obscure chapter of watchtower history.

panhandlegirl

I found the info via google. I stared to download it, and in fact, downloaded a few pages until I realized how many pages it contained. I bookmarked it for the future so I can download the pages I want. Sounds interesting. I am sure it took a lot of time and research to come up with all the information contained in the article.

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I think the Society might drop its appeal over the Conti case

by cedars in

i've been giving some thought to the recent development in which the judge has ruled that the society is barred from completing any property transactions until the appeal is over, which could take up to two years or even more.. i've submitted an article to randy at freeminds in which i basically argue that it is no longer in the society's interests to appeal this case.

if i correctly understand the restrictions placed on the society by the judge, then the governing body has far more to lose by appealing than they could conceivably gain.. think about it.... by appealing, they buy themselves time in which to formulate a long-term strategy for dealing with the fallout of this case, but will be barred from liquidating $1 billion in property assets at a time of global economic uncertainty when their donations are dwindling.

there is also no guarantee that their appeal will be upheld.by dropping their appeal, they take a hit and pay $23.8 million but retain the freedom to see through their real estate projects; retain their financial flexibility to respond to dwindling donations, and get to pretend to their followers (as with the un scandal) that it never happened.of course, i am only saying that dropping the appeal would be the only intelligent option for the society, assuming they are aware of how legally precarious their child abuse policies are.

panhandlegirl

The risk of creating a bad precedentSome litigants — particularly businesses — should consider whether or not they want to create a binding precedent in the disputed area of the law. Trial court decisions are not binding on other courts. Once a case goes to appeal, however, a legal precedent may be set that will be binding on trial courts faced with the same issue in the future. (Not all appeals do result in binding precedents — this depends on whether the Court of Appeal decides to “publish” its decision. A large majority are not “published.”)

I feel this is a hard call. If they go ahead and pay, they may have more victims bring suit against them. If they appeal and lose, they may set a legal precedent "that will be binding on trail courts faced with the same issue in the future" as stated above. With the high profile child abuse cases that have been in the news in the last few days, the Court of Appeals may decide to "publish" it's decison should the WTS lose, therefor assuring a binding precedent. This could cost the WTS as much as a billion dollars depending on the amount of victims out there in the r/f willing to sue.

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Do you try to "shape up" for Summer?

by Open mind in

a while ago* i set a goal to lose 10 pounds before summer.

today's the day.

i didn't make it.. .

panhandlegirl

Yes, I have to lose 10 pounds by Sept. Going to my school reunion. I am giving up wheat which I have read is responsible for a lot of people gaining weight. Also going to try and do some walking.

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Watchtower's Billion Dollars of Property Cannot Be Sold until Outcome of Conti Appeal

by Dogpatch in

30 minutes ago i just got off the phone with some important players in this case, and some things were relayed to me concerning a lot of details of the outcome of the last two days of court.

i am passing this on.

cynthia hampton, one of the main players in the candace conti case (and a close friend of 28 years), just informed me of a further, far more powerful move by the state of california against the watch tower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. by order of the superior court of the state of california - county of alameda (see documents below), until the watch tower's appeal, which won't begin until august 13th and will take up to two years to settle due to due process of law, has forbidden the watch tower to sell any more of its $1 billion in assets in the borough of brooklyn until the appeals case is finished, to assure they won't shelter their monies in the light of this most huge and devastating sexual abuse scandal ever to hit the watch tower society, and perhaps any other single-victim lawsuit.

panhandlegirl

I want to thank you Dogpatch, cedars, and others for providing us with all this information. I am forwarding this info to others not on this site. I hope this brings them to their knees and continues to expose them as false prophets and only a publishing and real estate organization that cares nothing for it's members.

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What are us baby boomers in for ? your opinions please !

by caliber in

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please see video's .

http://www.chatelaine.com/en/blog/post/39095--retirement-at-80-more-baby-boomers-have-to-stay-in-the-workforce-longer .

the woman at the centre of a landmark court ruling in b.c.

panhandlegirl

Humanity is perpetually marching towards something better, but I think it's a mistake to take comfort too deeply in the facades of comfort and stability we build for ourselves. Fundamentally, we are still animals, and it takes less than most people imagine for that part of our lineage to reassert itself.

Razziel, you are so right. I was recently a passenger on a plane that had machanical problems. We never left the gate but were in the plane between 1-2 hours when they finally told us they were going to get another plane. It did not take long for people to get irritated and ansy. This is just a minor example. Thank goodness we were not on the tarmac!

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The Watchtower Punished: Society loses legal battle over child abuse case

by cedars in

it's taken a while, but i've finally managed to put up an article on this remarkable court case.. a link to my article is below:.

http://jwsurvey.org/general-information/the-watchtower-punished-society-loses-legal-battle-over-child-abuse-case.

i've tried very hard to make the article as factual as possible by reading and comparing the various documents available.

panhandlegirl

Cedars, is there a way to send your article to another site. Others on other sites such as w Meet-up groups want more infor which is covered by your excellent article. I want to post it on a particular site.

Thanks.