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  **MUST READ** AlanF's email to Knocking.org

  by sf in

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  this is a must-read that, hopefully, will stay an "active topic" for all seekers and lurkers, by bumping it to the top as often as possible.

  alan wrote it in randys {dogpatch} thread regarding knocking.org documentary and in reply to the email mr. engardio sent to barbara anderson.

  however, it is so vital a read that it indeed needs its own thread:.

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  panhandlegirl

  What a great letter. BUMP.
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  When you left the JW/WT religion, were you really an adult ?

  by Phizzy in

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  2. friends

  i spent decades in the religion, i was born in, so my world view, my education, my social skills, all were dictated by and controlled by the "religion".. i feel that when i left i was immature in many ways, i had never faced my own mortality, i knew nothing of the reality of evolution, i had never voted in an election, i had never donated blood, i had never confronted the reality of the bibles status etc etc etc.. it was like a child walking off in to the blue yonder, no knowledge, no experience.. the main problem was, i had never really made my own decisions, i had never had to consider all the evidence and then decide for myself.. it was frightening and yet exilarating at the same time, but i was woefully equipped for the real world.. how did you feel ?

  confidant ?

  perplexed ?

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  My family went without me- one more time. No one attended afterwards.

  WOW! BOTR, you really had an influence on your family. I wish I had been as strong as you. I am the fifth daughter and the eighth chlid out of 10 children in our family. My older brother remaked to me a few years ago that when he got back from the Navy in 1958, he saw how my sisters bossed me around all the time. I was 14 and I guess I was accostomed to being told what to do by them. They were shocked when I left the borg and could not understand how they no longer had any influence on me. I guess I was a late starter, but I finally did get tired of being told what to do and think by everyone around me. I admire your strength and tenacity
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  When you left the JW/WT religion, were you really an adult ?

  by Phizzy in

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  i spent decades in the religion, i was born in, so my world view, my education, my social skills, all were dictated by and controlled by the "religion".. i feel that when i left i was immature in many ways, i had never faced my own mortality, i knew nothing of the reality of evolution, i had never voted in an election, i had never donated blood, i had never confronted the reality of the bibles status etc etc etc.. it was like a child walking off in to the blue yonder, no knowledge, no experience.. the main problem was, i had never really made my own decisions, i had never had to consider all the evidence and then decide for myself.. it was frightening and yet exilarating at the same time, but i was woefully equipped for the real world.. how did you feel ?

  confidant ?

  perplexed ?

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  Phizzy wrote:

  I had never voted in an Election, I had never donated blood, I had never confronted the reality of the Bibles status etc etc etc.

  The main problem was, I had never really made my own decisions, I had never had to consider all the evidence and then decide for myself.

  I was df'd as an adult, 40 yrs old. I have been so busy going to school and just making a living that I have not had the time to consider anything else. I did vote for the first time in 1980. I am just now, since I got on exjw sites, considering the status of the Bible and if some of what is written there is really the way it happened. Like you, I have never considered all the evidence and decided for myself. I find it disturbing and confusing. I have ordered several books and one, "Misquoting Jesus," has changed my view of the NT. I am still in learning mode and I have been out for nearly 28 years. WOW! That's a long time. I am also a born-in and it really messes with your mind when you have never known anything else.
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  Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

  she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

  usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

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  Sorry, I hit they button to soon.

  I agree that the advice given is correct and agree with what 00DAD posted. Also,as another poster stated, when children are taught to obey without question, it becomes easier for pedophiles to abuse them. Children should be encourged to protest if they feel they do not like what is being done to them, but the borg has not promoted this.This also goes for adult members. The organization demands obedience without dissent from all it's members. The borg has already been found wanting in protecting it's members from abuse by it's policy of keeping secret the presense of these pedophiles in the congregations. They are being hypocritical in what they say in this book. Candace told and it did not do her any good until she got an attotney. The borg refused to help her!! A child or a young person should never be made to feel responsible for the abuse. How in the world can a child behave seductively or ask for the abuse. That is just absurd.
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  Ultimately it is the child who should stop the abuse according to the GB!

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.

  she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.

  usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.

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  What are the chances that someone will return to the Borg. after 10-20yrs.?

  by jam in

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  now in my case my family probably.

  think, because i am living in sin ( not married but we have.

  been togather for 18 yrs.

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  I am a born-in, out 20 years, I would never ever return even though some in my family believe that I will. When I left, I never intended to go back. After what I have learned since leaving, my resolve to avoid that organization like the plague has only increased .My brother was df'd at age 17, he is now 64. He has never contemplated returning. We are both over and out!!
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  Just venting - I hate the Society.

  by donny in

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  panhandlegirl

  So sorry for your plight, I am in a somewhat similar situation. Thank goodness I never alowed my children to get baptized and they are not part of the borg. All my family, including cousins and aunts/uncles are part of the borg and so no one has anything to do with me. I know it is harder for you because it's your son. I hate the organization and hope it's demise will come soon. They have destroyed so many familes it's unbelievable. I hope your son sees the light of the real truth. Don't give up hope. I am sure he will truly miss your relationship.
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  Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie (redux)

  by Leolaia in

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  2. scandals

  in september 2004, farkel posted an article on this forum called "rutherford exposed: the story of berta and bonnie.

  " his essay, which subsequently was translated into several languages and which received over 10,000 views after the first month, spawned a thread that ran 28 pages and contained the collaborative research efforts of many in jwd.

  this thread was thought by some moderators to be the best in the forum -- not necessarily because of the claims in the original essay but because it inspired a staggering amount of research aimed at assessing the credibility of the claims made in the essay, as well as adding to our knowledge of this fascinating yet obscure chapter of watchtower history.

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  I found the info via google. I stared to download it, and in fact, downloaded a few pages until I realized how many pages it contained. I bookmarked it for the future so I can download the pages I want. Sounds interesting. I am sure it took a lot of time and research to come up with all the information contained in the article.
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  I think the Society might drop its appeal over the Conti case

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i've been giving some thought to the recent development in which the judge has ruled that the society is barred from completing any property transactions until the appeal is over, which could take up to two years or even more.. i've submitted an article to randy at freeminds in which i basically argue that it is no longer in the society's interests to appeal this case.

  if i correctly understand the restrictions placed on the society by the judge, then the governing body has far more to lose by appealing than they could conceivably gain.. think about it.... by appealing, they buy themselves time in which to formulate a long-term strategy for dealing with the fallout of this case, but will be barred from liquidating $1 billion in property assets at a time of global economic uncertainty when their donations are dwindling.

  there is also no guarantee that their appeal will be upheld.by dropping their appeal, they take a hit and pay $23.8 million but retain the freedom to see through their real estate projects; retain their financial flexibility to respond to dwindling donations, and get to pretend to their followers (as with the un scandal) that it never happened.of course, i am only saying that dropping the appeal would be the only intelligent option for the society, assuming they are aware of how legally precarious their child abuse policies are.

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  The risk of creating a bad precedentSome litigants — particularly businesses — should consider whether or not they want to create a binding precedent in the disputed area of the law. Trial court decisions are not binding on other courts. Once a case goes to appeal, however, a legal precedent may be set that will be binding on trial courts faced with the same issue in the future. (Not all appeals do result in binding precedents — this depends on whether the Court of Appeal decides to “publish” its decision. A large majority are not “published.”)

  I feel this is a hard call. If they go ahead and pay, they may have more victims bring suit against them. If they appeal and lose, they may set a legal precedent "that will be binding on trail courts faced with the same issue in the future" as stated above. With the high profile child abuse cases that have been in the news in the last few days, the Court of Appeals may decide to "publish" it's decison should the WTS lose, therefor assuring a binding precedent. This could cost the WTS as much as a billion dollars depending on the amount of victims out there in the r/f willing to sue.
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  Do you try to "shape up" for Summer?

  by Open mind in

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  2. physical

  a while ago* i set a goal to lose 10 pounds before summer.

  today's the day.

  i didn't make it.. .

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  panhandlegirl

  Yes, I have to lose 10 pounds by Sept. Going to my school reunion. I am giving up wheat which I have read is responsible for a lot of people gaining weight. Also going to try and do some walking.