It seems that the WTS capitalize on peoples weaknesses.
Pureheart
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Why Are Most JW's Former R. Catholics?
by Bhagavad inhttp://www.bible.ca/cath-jw-converting.htm
i just tried my above link and it does not link.
any input?
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JW's will become more IMMORAL after Exposer of...
by D wiltshire in.
jw's will become more immoral after exposer of...gb on pedophile issue by dateline and bbc's panarama.. the reason being that many will reason if the gb can get themselves in trouble heck!
i might as well get mine too since jehovah is so forgiving as to let them stay in office.. what do you think?.
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Hi DWiltshire,
I think that the adverage JW will take sides with the WTS because it hurts to know that you wasted your whole life on an illusion. They will close thier eyes to the truth and continue on blindly.
Then there are those of us who see the WTS for what they are and will try to experience all kinds of freedoms that they could not have while under their control. Depending on the circumstances of each individual will determine the degree of immoral activity that they will indulge in.
I personally went to the porn sites, and mimicked some of their activity. oooooooo! Felt good, but bothered my conscience after a while. I drank as much alchohol as I wanted, cursed, and partied at the clubs that I wanted. That is the extent of my immorality. Then I had a Crises of Conscience. I said to myself, "I have to answer to God not to man". And so I stopped those activities. Oh it was not easy. I still want to indulge, but I pray hard and go to sleep.
Pureheart
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Everyone Can Watch Panorama, Look Here!
by Englishman inclick on the "panorama" banner above, or here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/panorama/newsid_2114000/2114320.stm.
click on latest programme.
you can now watch the entire airing of last sunday's production, which dealt with the hunt for bin laden.
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Pureheart
Hi Englishman,
"Click on Latest programme.
You can now watch the entire airing of last Sunday's production, which dealt with the hunt for Bin Laden. It will also give you a pretty good idea of how in-depth Panorama can be.
Just for fun, slide the bar over to the 49th minute, and imagine that you were a loyal witness watching the end of the programme."
I did that, and it made my spine tingle. I was wondering how I was going to tap into the program. Well now thanks to you and Simon I am set up for the "show"! Thanks!!
Pureheart
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Prepare for follow-ups to Panorama
by Simon in.
it may be worth preparing and brushing up on things ready for the phone-ins and live chat after panorama airs.
they also allow people to submit comments via the website.. in addition, there are often follow up programmes covering issues raised such as this morning, kilroy, tonight with trevor macdonald and various radio phone-ins.. don't be shy people ... the wts is on the ropes with a deservedly bloody nose with this one - let's put them on the canvas.
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Pureheart
I know that you guys are as excited as we here in the US was when we found out Dateline was airing the story on the WTS molestation. Enjoy!
I feel that the UK Branch will not be as secretive as the US headquarters.
Pureheart
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Witnesses Not Budging on 1914
by stevieb1 injust attended the sunday of the zealous kingdom proclaimers district convention in manchester, england and during the final talk we had an update on the world situation as it relates to jehovah's witnesses.
the speaker was peter ellis, a member of the london bethel branch committee.. he stated that many had been waiting for armageddon for some years and some have become disappointed that it hasn't yet arrived, and that newer jw's did not seem to have the same degree of faith as some of the old-timers in the faith, hence this was of serious concern.
then he said something along the lines of 1914 being set in stone and that the organization was not going to get any new light on this key doctrine, hence we can be sure that armageddon is very near.. interesting don't you think?
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Pureheart
Hi Stevie,
of course they can set 1914, because the stone is invisible.
Pureheart
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Supreme Court says Files have to be turned over.
by Pureheart inruling on diocese's privacy may open flood of material
by sam dillon
ver the nine years since leland white sued the roman\.
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Ruling on Diocese's Privacy May Open Flood of Material
By SAM DILLON
ver the nine years since Leland White sued the Roman\Catholic church in Rhode Island seeking damages, asserting that his parish priest sexually abused him in 1970, eight other men have
lodged similar accusations against the same priest, who has pleaded guilty to criminal abuse charges. But the Diocese of
Providence has given little quarter.
Citing its First Amendment religious rights, the diocese has
refused to turn over thousands of documents requested by
Mr. White and nearly 40 other Catholics who have sued the
Rhode Island church, saying they were abused by priests. For
nearly a decade, the courts have upheld the church.
But that appeared to change this week when a state justice,
citing the American bishops' acknowledgment last month at their
meeting in Dallas that the church's culture of secrecy had hurt the
church and its flock, ruled that the First Amendment could not be
construed as a blanket shield protecting the church from requests
for information in inquiries into priestly assaults on children.
"By no elastic stretch of the most fertile imagination can one
rationally conclude that such information or any such communication
deserves or merits confidentiality as expressions of religious
freedom," Justice Robert D. Krause of State Superior Court wrote
in his ruling, issued on Monday.
Lawyers for people who say they have been abused by priests in Rhode
Island and across the nation called Justice Krause's ruling a watershed in
one of the longest and hardest-fought legal cases provoked by priestly
sexual misconduct. It underlined the way the American bishops' self-criticism
and pledges of more open policies on sex abuse, made at their June meeting
in Dallas, continue to reverberate, even in the court system.
"Judges are telling the church to stop wasting our time by coming here and trying
to use the First Amendment to defend the indefensible," said Sylvia Demarest,
a lawyer who won a $31 million sex abuse settlement from the Diocese of
Dallas in 1997 and was studying Justice Krause's ruling yesterday.
Mr. White, 46, of Arlington, Va., said in an interview that he was abused
by the Rev. James Silva, his parish priest in Newport, R.I., in 1970, when he
was 14. Father Silva, Mr. White said, befriended him, asked him to help answer
the phones one night late at the rectory, then requested that he stay overnight
and crawled into bed with him.
After Mr. White sued Father Silva, Bishop Louis E. Gelineau and the Diocese
of Providence in 1993, several other men stepped forward to say they had also
been abused by Father Silva, one of them so recently that the criminal statute
of limitations had not expired. Father Silva was charged and pleaded guilty in
1995 to sexual abuse. The diocese has barred Father Silva from exercising his
ministerial duties, but Karen Davis, a spokeswoman for the diocese, said she
could not immediately specify when.
Mr. White is one of nearly 40 Catholics who have sued the Diocese of Providence
saying that they were abused by Father Silva and at least nine other Rhode
Island priests. Their suits have been consolidated before one judge. They have
sought fruitlessly for a decade to gain access to diocesan documents that church
officials have routinely handed over in similar suits elsewhere in the legal process
called discovery.
"I don't know of any case around the country where so many victims have been
in court for so long and gotten so little," said David Clohessy, the St. Louis school
administrator who is national director of the Survivors Network for People Abused
by Priests.
William T. Murphy, a lawyer for the Diocese of Providence, did not say whether he
intended to appeal Justice Krause's ruling. He said it was too early to measure the
effect because, he said, the justice left unclear whether he intended it to be applied
only to documents the plaintiffs might request in the future, or retroactively to many
documents a previous judge had already ruled that the church did not have to turn
over to the plaintiffs. The church has resisted turning over documents to the plaintiffs
in some cases in the consolidated lawsuit, Mr. Murphy said, to protect the privacy
of Rhode Island Catholics who have given the church confidential information about
abusive priests.
"This ruling raises more questions than it answers because it didn't say anything
about these prior orders," Mr. Murphy said.
But Tim Conlon, a Providence lawyer who represents 32 of the Rhode Island plaintiffs,
said the ruling was anything but ambiguous.
"This is a watershed breakthrough in terms of our ability to get documents and
information," Mr. Conlon said. "In Rhode Island the Catholic Church has made it its
business to clog the discovery process with complex legal arguments about why
information should not be produced and has avoided releasing actual information."
In his order, Justice Krause cited a document written by the United States Conference
of Bishops in Dallas, the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People, in
which the bishops acknowledged that "secrecy has created an atmosphere that
has inhibited the healing process and in some cases enabled sexually abusive
behavior to be repeated."
He cited the Bishops' Charter to illustrate how public understanding of the church's
handling of sex abuse accusations has changed rapidly, obligating everyone,
including the courts, to re-evaluate long-held postures.
"Circumstances have indeed changed," he wrote. "The church hierarchy became
publicly embroiled in a nationwide clamor for reform and for public disclosure of
matters relating to priests who sexually assault children. Insistence upon
disclosure emanated not only from those not associated with the church, but
indeed from bishops within the church as well."
Pureheart
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Cygnus is in bad shape
by Cygnus injust so i don't miss anybody who is interested.... my results from the ekg and the echogram showed a severe leak in a heart valve.
i am going for an angiogram on the 15th but the cardiologist says the liklihood is great that i will need open heart surgery.
rare for a 30 year old but if necessary, it is necessary.. no word yet on the results of the blood work for liver enzymes and hepatitis.
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Hi Cygnus,
Sorry to hear of your malady. My son was diagnosed with the same leaking valve in the heart a couple of years ago. But the doctor said that the leak was a minimal amount and that they would keep an eye on it. As long as it stay that way it would not pose a problem for him. So far he has had no more problems.
Hang in there because the doctors did tell us that if that did surgery it would definitely correct the problem. So if you have surgery I hope that that is what they have told you.
God bless.Pureheart
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Wholewheat please read.
by Pureheart inhi wholewheat,.
when i first came onto this board i was shocked at the language too.
please go to my member page and read starting on the second page, so there are rules of conduct, what rule of conduct exists here, too much hatred in here, get over it.
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Pureheart
Hi wholewheat,
if you seriously want those questions answered that you asked above, order the book; In Search of Christian Freedom by Ray Franz. You can order it online from http://www.amazon.com. I completed it about 2 weeks ago and it answered every question that I had about the WTS.
After you read it you will not need to ask any more questions about the WTS. Oh maybe one; "What are they up to now"?
Pureheart
Edited by - pureheart on 4 July 2002 15:17:16
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News on Crisis of Conscience !
by Amazing insince 1983, the book, crisis of conscience, by raymond franz has taken on a life of its own ... translated now into many languages.
while at brci, i saw crisis of conscience in spanish, portuguese, italian and others languages, even japanese ... japan has long been the love child nation that the watchtower uses to beat the western jws over the head ... more than this, though ... .
crisis of conscience is now in its fourth edition, being revised in april 2002 !!!
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Pureheart
Thankyou Amazing,
I had ordered Crisisof Conscience on Amazon.com and they said that the book was out of circulation for them. I understand now. I will order the revised edition right now. Thanks again.
Pureheart
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Wholewheat please read.
by Pureheart inhi wholewheat,.
when i first came onto this board i was shocked at the language too.
please go to my member page and read starting on the second page, so there are rules of conduct, what rule of conduct exists here, too much hatred in here, get over it.
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Pureheart
Hi Wholewheat,
when I first came onto this board I was shocked at the language too. Please go to my member page and read starting on the second page, So there are rules of conduct, What rule of conduct exists here, Too much hatred in here, Get over it.
Needless to say that I got my a$$ kicked. You are not alone my friend. Everyone is just real in here. That is not what we are accustomed to at the kingsom hall. Just hang tough.
Pureheart
ver the nine years since Leland White sued the Roman\