Gawd almighty I'm too curious!! how will we know? will you post about it here and keep "bttt" all the time so everyone will see? will there be a direct link? When? Today??
Posts by acsot
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by Amazing in.
well folks, this is it ... this big moment has arrived ... and as a result, i will have to be very careful about what i post ... however, the governing buzzard series is still on ... i have to get down to it soon ... just around the corner ... anytime now .
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What Did You Find To Be The Most Confusing Belief Of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by minimus injehovah's witnesses certainly have some unique beliefs and some are very, very confusing.
anything that you never quite understood?
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acsot
For me, the nuttiest JW doctrine is that which teaches that unbaptized people who die before Armageddon with few exceptions, can be expected to be resurrected, whereas they would have died had they lived to see it.
Me too, as above. Totally unjust, what kind of god would determine you faithfulness/unfaithfulness based on what day you died? You die March 1 and Armageddon arrives March 2, bingo! You win. But if Armageddon would have been in February, your dead meat. Yeah right.
Also as mentioned above, the faithful and discreet slave making mistakes yet not really making mistakes and being God's channel of communication on earth and new light yet they don't make mistakes. And never apologize.
Also as mentioned, I found it hypocritical that we'd insist on others taking our literature but would refuse to accept and read other religious literature. I was always curious, and figured that since this was the truth there was nothing to fear from other people's beliefs.
A JW in service once talked rather derisively about a person at the door, a Muslim, who refused literature. I thought to myself that of all people, we should understand that Muslim's viewpoint since it was exactly how we react.
How JWs claim to have love yet on the news you'd see all these other organizations helping out in times of disaster, and not for any ulterior motive like getting Bible studies with them. That was true compassion and love in my mind, doing it because it's the right thing to do.
This list could actually be quite a long one!
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Believers ? I need your input ? elder called and left my mother in tears
by acsot in[quick update: almost a year ago my mother had two strokes and a heart attack.
needless to say, we haven?t stepped foot in a kingdom hell since then.
some of the rank and file have been kind and supportive, so i have them over to the house once in awhile (i?m also doing it for selfish reasons since it gives me a break and i can get out)]
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acsot
Shamus! Thank you !
When they call again, tell them that she's under doctors orders not to get upset, and you would appreciate it if they would honor the doctors wishes. YOU will call them when SHE wants to talk to them, and leave it at that.
I was wondering what to say so that they leave her alone. I was concerned that they'd phone when I'm not at home, i.e., when the health care worker is with her so they'd just pass the phone to her. I never even thought of using "doctor's orders"! That's brilliant!
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I'm Home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Yizuman infinally!
i got a place of my own!
i moved here last week sunday after i saw an ad for an apt for $425.00 p/m w/ all utilities paid!!!
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acsot
WAY TO GO!!! I'm really happy for you Yiz, you must feel terrific! All the best for 2004!
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Believers ? I need your input ? elder called and left my mother in tears
by acsot in[quick update: almost a year ago my mother had two strokes and a heart attack.
needless to say, we haven?t stepped foot in a kingdom hell since then.
some of the rank and file have been kind and supportive, so i have them over to the house once in awhile (i?m also doing it for selfish reasons since it gives me a break and i can get out)]
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acsot
I knew I could count on you guys! Blondie, my mother loves getting together with my brother, he?s been living out of province for many year and is now on sabbatical and is spending it here, so she's finally getting a chance to get to know her son. There is a telephone hook-up and she does listen via phone, imagine! And there's still guilt! Unf&&kingbelievable!
For 70 years, the Israelites were not able to attend religious functions at the temple. Most of them were little children or not born yet by the end of that period. Did God not value their love and worship for him apart from the temple?
B londie : Wow, never thought of that! Thank you. I'm cutting and pasting it for reference.Cruzan: Thanks for the suggestion, I?ll use those verses.
PC: got your message! Thank you.
UpandAtom: very kind of you - thanks!
Stillajwxelder: You're absolutely right, and I'm planning on using this past telephone conversation as "ammo" if they dare call again, especially with the D.O.
wanna: the gospels are good, I'll just read them in a different translation, but I may skip over the denunciations against the Pharisees, unless I can sneak in an application about the WTS!
Special K: I'm glad you posted that; it reminded me how stroke does cause emotional lability, which can trigger tears and laughter at unexpected and at times inappropriate moments. Maybe that's part of what happened.
you guys are great
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"Apostates"! Do You Know We Control the Watchtower - BY REACTION?
by metatron inonce upon a time, a very long time ago, i told a wayward witness friend of mine that i thought that the society was fascist.. he immediately corrected me "nope, they're reactionary".. he was right!
.. and that's the beauty of it!.
for many of us, reform of the watchtower has become a fool's dream.
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acsot
the inactive need to put in time or be disassociated
really? since when? This is very interesting!
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Believers ? I need your input ? elder called and left my mother in tears
by acsot in[quick update: almost a year ago my mother had two strokes and a heart attack.
needless to say, we haven?t stepped foot in a kingdom hell since then.
some of the rank and file have been kind and supportive, so i have them over to the house once in awhile (i?m also doing it for selfish reasons since it gives me a break and i can get out)]
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[Quick update: almost a year ago my mother had two strokes and a heart attack. Needless to say, we haven?t stepped foot in a Kingdom Hell since then. Some of the rank and file have been kind and supportive, so I have them over to the house once in awhile (I?m also doing it for selfish reasons since it gives me a break and I can get out)]
Well, the P.O. phoned last night to see if ?we could come and visit you and your mum?. Hmm, could it have anything to do with the double bill of C.O. and D.O. visiting in two weeks time, make it look like they?ve been doing shepherding calls? (as a side note, this elder was on the judicial committee that DF'd SaintSatan)
I tell him that (a) mum isn?t feeling too well (the truth, she had stomach pains in the evening) and (b) as I mentioned to him previously, last minute calls really don?t work very well under the present circumstances. He said, oh okay maybe next week. I said (my mistake) maybe you can say hello to mum at any rate. Sure.
They talk for a couple of minutes, mum hangs up then bursts into tears.
?I want to go back to the meetings.? she mumbles between sobs. Now I know that part of it was just the thought of getting out of the house, so I say, ?you get out, we went out last night (to my brother?s) for supper, we went to a movie, etc.?
?But what?s Jehovah going to think of me, I can?t get to the meetings?. God almighty what did that f&&king elder say to her I?m thinking to myself.
So then I find myself in the rather weird position of assuaging her guilt induced by this f&&king cult and telling her that Jehovah knows everything she?s done, Jesus came for everyone and that she has been a good person all her life, even before becoming a JW. And that Jesus said by their fruits you will recognize them so actually the elders have more to fear since they haven?t been fulfilling their shepherding duties. I try and help her see that she?ll get her reward because Jesus said ?believe in me and you shall be saved?. Considering that I am now agnostic and think that this is all a fairy tale, this felt really, really strange. I am also totally pissed at that idiot elder.
Then I go into how attending three meetings a week is not what makes a true Christian. After all, the Society has been wrong before, right? I mentioned 1975 and the generation doctrine. She nodded. So I said that the only thing that mattered was her relationship with Jehovah and Jesus and that since the Society has been wrong in the past they can?t really tell others what being faithful is and what it isn?t. I?m also wondering whether I should give that b&stard elder a call and ask him what on earth he said.
She calms down eventually and some TV program came on, can?t remember which one, a comedy anyway. I turn it on and she starts watching.
Then I storm upstairs and call Elder Idiot.
?What did you say to my mother? She?s been crying ever since she hung up the phone.?
?Oh no, really? I can?t imagine what I said.?
(To be honest, I don?t think he really did say anything deliberately guilt-inducing, but I have a feeling that just from past conditioning, getting a call from an elder isn?t usually good, which brought on the guilt on my mother?s part. However, my purpose in calling him was twofold)
Me: ?Well, now she?s crying about what Jehovah thinks of her and she can?t do very much anymore.
Elder: ?Oh dear, well of course Jehovah loves her, I only have compassion for someone in her circumstances.?
Me: ?I hope so, I mean, maybe it?s part of the stroke, maybe she doesn?t understand every word properly and took it the wrong way.? (I said this because it?s true, that does happen at times)
Me (again): ?Anyway, if you do visit it?s going to have to be very light and happy, and you?ll need to be very careful what you say and how you say it.?
Elder: ?Yes, of course, but we won?t be going over tonight?
Me: ?Yes, I know that?
Elder: ?And I don?t call very often either?
Me: ?Yes, I know that?
Elder: ?That?s not very good.?
Me: ?Yes, I know.?
Elder: ?Well, I?m very very sorry, please forgive me. I don?t honestly know what I said?
Me: ?Well, I?ll see if I can figure out what happened. And I?ll see about future visits?
I hang up.
Now this may not seem like a big deal, but for me this was a giant step. I would have never ever called up an elder and questioned his activities. I would have been afraid I wasn?t being respectful, that I was not being theocratic, etc. So this was a huge step for me. And amazingly, I didn?t brood over it, or worry it to death (my usual modus operandi). I almost forgot about the conversation during the evening and got busy doing other stuff. And making sure my mother was more or less cheerful.
So, my question to believers: I have no intention of using the NWT, but I thought I?d read some Bible verses to her, probably along the lines of Matthew 11:28-30, etc. Maybe Psalms, but stuff that will take away her WTS induced guilt and help her think that she?s okay in God?s eyes. Since my background is as a JW, I?m not quite sure what I should use. What has helped you? Jesus? blood washing away our sins is fine, but she still thinks she should be getting out there to the Kingdumb hall.
Any ideas will be welcome.
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I did it ! I told my JW mother that I am pagan !
by Sirona inyes, i did it.. after the thread in which i asked how i could possibly tell my jw mum that i'm pagan....i decided to take the bull by the horns and tell her.. her reaction made me wonder if she reads this board.. firstly, to "ease" her in, i mentioned that i'm doing a course in reiki.
reiki is a complimentary therapy - basically hands on healing.
well, she said she knew a little about reiki and thought it was a good idea.
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acsot
Congratulations Sirona, you handled that really well! Someone else also suggested Scott Cunningham's book to me; I took one of those quizes about which religion "fits" you (someone here posted it) and Paganism came out on top for me!
Way to go!
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Jeremiah 29:10
by TheOldHippie inthe new danish and swedish revisions of the nwt have "lifted up" the nwt-with references footnote alternative rendering of jeremiah 29:10 into being the preferred one, so that it no longer says "in babylon" but "for babylon".
has there been any change or revision in the english issue?
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acsot
It would be so much easier for the ol' boys in Brooklyn to just do away with the Bible completely. It would at least be honest and eliminate the necessity of backtracking and rewording and inventing explanations. I'm sure if they look hard enough they'll even be able to come up with a Scriptural example of why JWs no longer need to read the Bible but just have faith in whatever drivel is printed in the Watchtower.
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Son in Hospital.
by Gordy inon new years eve morning, my son (28) ex-jw, da'd 3 years ago, went to see the doctor, he hadn't been feeling well for a while, tired and run down.. they took some blood for a test, at 5:15pm the doctor rang him up to say their was an ambulance on the way his blood count was only 5.7, should be 13. he was very aneamic, which would explain the tiredness.
next day they gave him 2 units of blood and another 2 units the next day.
he had no hesitation in accepting the blood.
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acsot
Thanks Blondie, I know. But I am determined that one day you and I will meet!