Reviewing some of the discussion, I noticed that some of what I said was already covered. But there is still some issue about why Danel and Daniel. As far as I can tell, it boils down to looking for references to Daniel in the OT other than the text of Daniel itself. The only one is Ezekiel and it's questionable. If Daniel is a contemporary of Ezekiel, he could have been talking of Danel instead when he spoke of the wise men of old such as Noah and Job. Ok. Now try to find another reference in the OT - including in such works as the ("deutero-canonical") Wisdom of Ben Sirach in the 2nd century where the prophets are enumerated.
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The Syrian Dan-El
by schnell ini started reading deceptions and myths of the bible by lloyd graham tonight, and graham mentions that the book of daniel, like the story of joseph, is ripped off from a syrian poem about another hero named daniel (or dan-el).. a cursory google search doesn't pull up anything.
is this accurate?
has this ancient poem survived?
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The Syrian Dan-El
by schnell ini started reading deceptions and myths of the bible by lloyd graham tonight, and graham mentions that the book of daniel, like the story of joseph, is ripped off from a syrian poem about another hero named daniel (or dan-el).. a cursory google search doesn't pull up anything.
is this accurate?
has this ancient poem survived?
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kepler
Danel's name is not in the Title: The Aghat Epic, but he figures in the story.
Look for links or sources related to the city of Ugarit. The language was Canaanite but the writing was in
cuneiform.
As for Daniel. The biggest key to the story's date of composition is the reference to Darius the Mede.
Darius is not unknown to history. That's how Thucydides and Herodotus referred to the Persian invaders and the Greek victory over them at Marathon. They called them Medes and their king was Darius.
Unfortunately, the year was 490 BC.
But Daniel's author got something out of his Seleucid history classes in the 2nd century BC.
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How can the WTS call themselves Christians when they have no Christian church?
by TTWSYF inso was jesus a fool or a liar?
he said that his church would last all ages, didn't he?.
math 16:8and i say to thee: that thou art peter; and upon this rock i will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
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kepler
Chruch or congregation, the implications sound the same. Peter is called aside for a conference and
given the keys to the executive office of an organization that will be around for a while.
Did I say organization? Well, it appears that there are a number that have edited this picture out of the script.
I think David-Jay's survey of the Protestant spectrum of though is spot on. Before coming into contact with JW, it puzzled me how so much of this thought was based on the notion that Christianity had been hijacked for a millenium and a half - and that nothing of value was there until it was filtered through a succession of Central European clerics and allied princes. Subsequently those that would save us from the hijacking used Biblical translations and anthologies as inerrant sources of doctrine in their mouths. Which meant an even longer interregnum until things could get even further re-organized in North America...
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Truly I say to you, Amen I say to you, Inferences from a Gospel manner of speech
by kepler inin another topic changes in the nwt, one of the correspondents posted that.
concerning the comma in luke 23:43, http://www.dtl.org/alt/comments/today.htmhas some interesting comments.. .
to summarize what was stated at this website, the translator selected a translation for luke 23:43. .
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kepler
SBF,
You mentioned another thread about history. Not sure which one was meant, whether one of mine or started by someone else. Can you give me another clue? Have to rush off on some errands, but I'll see if I can find it.
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Truly I say to you, Amen I say to you, Inferences from a Gospel manner of speech
by kepler inin another topic changes in the nwt, one of the correspondents posted that.
concerning the comma in luke 23:43, http://www.dtl.org/alt/comments/today.htmhas some interesting comments.. .
to summarize what was stated at this website, the translator selected a translation for luke 23:43. .
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kepler
slimboyfat,
Sometimes when there's discussion of long running programs ( e.g., Dr. Who), people will talk about which actor was their favorite. But when they do, it reflects the moment as a child, adolescent or whatever, that they enjoyed the show. But same thing here. I agree. It was a great time to talk about the big ones.
Kepler
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Translators left without guidance!?
by anointed1 inif good news is to be preached in all nations, translation becomes a must, and translating is as important as original writing.
hence logically speaking, god should ensure that translation of the bible is done with utmost care.
but evidence suggests that god showed no interest in translation.. here is one example of luke 23:43. this is very significant in view of the importance of the subject:.
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kepler
Found it.
And it's back in the queue.
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Truly I say to you, Amen I say to you, Inferences from a Gospel manner of speech
by kepler inin another topic changes in the nwt, one of the correspondents posted that.
concerning the comma in luke 23:43, http://www.dtl.org/alt/comments/today.htmhas some interesting comments.. .
to summarize what was stated at this website, the translator selected a translation for luke 23:43. .
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kepler
In response to a question started in a recent topic, I just thought I would put this one back in the queue.
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Translators left without guidance!?
by anointed1 inif good news is to be preached in all nations, translation becomes a must, and translating is as important as original writing.
hence logically speaking, god should ensure that translation of the bible is done with utmost care.
but evidence suggests that god showed no interest in translation.. here is one example of luke 23:43. this is very significant in view of the importance of the subject:.
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kepler
Magnum,
This one went on for a while. I am still looking for the concordance based arguments I pulled together.
It might be in this topic or another. But it's a start.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/240288/one-silly-little-comma-wt-idiocy
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Translators left without guidance!?
by anointed1 inif good news is to be preached in all nations, translation becomes a must, and translating is as important as original writing.
hence logically speaking, god should ensure that translation of the bible is done with utmost care.
but evidence suggests that god showed no interest in translation.. here is one example of luke 23:43. this is very significant in view of the importance of the subject:.
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kepler
Sorry. Got interrupted.
I did a study of all the instances of "truly I say to you" and then a case in Acts in which Paul actually swears to do something. When you look at the Greek, you know why it is translated the way it is: to justify the a priori theology.
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Translators left without guidance!?
by anointed1 inif good news is to be preached in all nations, translation becomes a must, and translating is as important as original writing.
hence logically speaking, god should ensure that translation of the bible is done with utmost care.
but evidence suggests that god showed no interest in translation.. here is one example of luke 23:43. this is very significant in view of the importance of the subject:.
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kepler
Anointed 1,
Suggest that you look at some of the discussions we had on this board several years back. This passage was a particularly significant one for me. It sealed my fate.
WDK