K
I'm sorry for your loss. I'm also sorry for your family for their loss is greater.
((((Kelpie))))
Another notch for the FDS' belt.
my parents have finally disowned me.. my dad called yesturday and told me to get the "dogs of my mothers back" about my upcoming wedding.. i told him that i havent put anyone on mum's back and if they are saying it, its because they want to and don't agree with what he and mum are doing.
i said that mum can speak for herself and he said that she and will and the next time you speak to your mother she will tell you that we dont want to ever speak to or see you again...".
at this point in the conversation i hung up the phone in his ear.
K
I'm sorry for your loss. I'm also sorry for your family for their loss is greater.
((((Kelpie))))
Another notch for the FDS' belt.
for me, it's the "faithful and discreet slave class".
1. That the most important thing of all was to "vindicate Jehovah's name," like he needed our help to do it.
2. All these stupid classes... what the hell was a Jonadab anyway?
3. That it was 'normal' to use up your vacation days to go to a sweltering hot stadium and sit there for hours on end in the heat listeing to 'spiritual food'
4. That I would never die
hey everyone...i have had it!!!!!
resignation i am hereby officially tendering my resignation as an adult.
i have decided i would like to accept the responsibilities of an 8 year-old again.
PurpleV loads her Super Deluxe Super Soaker and takes aim at LyinEyes.......
one of the 'problems' i had before blackguard deprogrammed me was i could not reconcile the actions of the j-dud masters with a loving god.
i felt if god was with these people i did not want to live in any new system under this power structure.
if god was as phoney, vengeful, and petty a person as his faithful and discreet slave was i was better off dead.
NO WAY
That would be my idea of hell
Oh God, that's not what hell is, is it? Cause if it is I'm DOOMED
i forgot to watch survivor last night.
i saw who got voted off, but what else happened?
i was watching american idol, and forgot survivor was on at the same time.
They had a log rolling contest (who could stay on longest) for reward challenge. It was tied 5-5 and the final couple get on the log...and who wins it, CHRISTY!! The reward was fruit and spices!!
Shawna and Alex were really getting hot and heavy. Amazing how she did a 360 as soon as the guys showed up! I'm not suprised she got the boot!!
The immunity challenge was gross, they had their arms tied behind their backs and had to gnaw off huge chunks of a suspended piece of (cooked) meat and spit it out into a scale.... heaviest wins! It was all getting stuck in their teeth and they had to help each other out by pulling the meat out of each other's mouths with their own mouth and spitting it into the basket.
How cruel was that? Giving starving people a contest where they can't eat any of it???
I think it's on Wednesday again next week.
i've been inactive for several months.
i know it's not the truth and mentally i've walked away.
would it be living a lie to remain inactive?
Victorian Sky:
Would it be living a lie if I don't Disassociate myself?
Depends on whose perspective you are looking at it... if you look at it from a JW perspective then yes, you are living a lie. But you're not really a JW any more.... so it's only a lie if you feel that way. I agree with Rayzorblade on this one.
Valis:
End result: I was all good cuz even though I wasn't a JW or Episcopalian, I had done the one thing that was seen by him as a universal token...not something that any entity other than his god granted validity to...
When I joined the Episcopal Church my vicar asked if I was baptized, and I gave him the same answer, "By the JWs at age 14." He looked at me and said solemnly, "That doesn't count." I was rebaptized as a real Christian and that was a much more joyful day then my WTS dunking.
That is not to say that I believe that any one faith has the monopoly on baptism or anything else. But it was much more meaningful because I was baptized without an organization in the middle.
my mother called me last night an begged me to go to the meeting tomarrow.
she has asked me to go numerous times during the last year,and i have made excuses everytime of why i can't attend.
last night she begged so i'm thinking that theres either a local needs talk that she wants me to hear or its the co visit.
Does anyone see a pattern here? Parents' happiness dependent on their children being JWs? Guilt trips? Being physically ill at the thought of attending a meeting? Consider:
Dear LSky:
After putting a huge guilt trip on me
That's the only way they can get people to the hall anymore.
how I'll make her and my father sooo happy if I show up
Their happiness is NOT your responsibility
Now i am really scared, my hands are shaking, I am nervous as Hell. I really do not want to go...I want to back out but I don't want to hurt my parents.
Your parents are the ones setting themselves up to be 'hurt.' Don't take the blame for that. I think you should put yourself first... look how this is affecting you! Stress is harmful to your health!
The fear of losing your family if you don't go to the meeting is EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL. In my book, any kind of blackmail is a crime.
Dear VSky:
My mom would freak if I don't go to the memorial
And that's whose fault, exactly? I don't think it's yours.
Mom wants the family to stick together
Only if they are all JWs. That's conditional.
I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months and the thought of going back even for an hour makes me nauseous
Don't go!!
I hate the guilt, feeling that I've somehow failed them
It's not you who has failed them, it is they who failed you, by making their 'love and happiness' contingent on you remaining a good little JW drone. Again, conditional love.
(((((hugs))))) to both of you... I know this hurts. Hang in there...
having frequented this board for about two years, i've noticed over time that, in a sense, there has come to be almost a 'religion', set of beliefs, or 'teaching' that has kind of evolved here.
there seem to be certain things that the majority, in some cases even a consensus, of members here agree on.
some examples that come to mind:.
Rocketman
I suspect that many who say 'so and so should be df'd' are saying in the context of it wasn't fair that someone would be DF'd for say, getting caught with one cigaret and who's repentent, and then someone who has been blatantly shagging everything in sight gets away with a slap on the wrist because he/she is an elder's kid.
It just points out the utterly complete hypocrisy, politics and arbitrariness of the DFing policy, along with everything else about the borg. It's all in who you are and who you know.
Yeah, saying he 'should have been' DF'd according to the WT rules, is not necessarily the personal sentiments of the author.
Just my $.02 cents!! (I'd insert a smiley but they don't work from this computer.)
this question is not to offend anyone, it's just that i have noticed people have many different reasons for leaving the borg and i thought it would be interesting to find out why some of you left.. for example:some leave because they want to be free to smoke, drink, gamble, fornicate, grow beards, celebrate xmas, take blood and drugs, etc.some leave because they never believed and now are old enough to do as they want.some leave because they have seen that they can be happy living life free from any religious organization, yet still feel safe in god's love.some have been hurt by the borg and have taken their wounds away to lick them, waiting to see justice.some have trusted the borg with their lives, time and money...........only to discover recently that there has been lies, cover-ups and hypocracy in the borg.
now they have left but need to belong to another organization to feel happy.. i left the borg because i found out about the cover-ups and lies.
my family was abused by it, my child was sexually abused and i was df'ed.
I left because being a jw is all-consuming, every waking (and sometimes sleeping) moment you are aware you are a jw, every action and conversation has to be filtered through WT rules, every infraction producing guilt, I was suffocating and I thought if I didn't get away I would die.
I wanted to live however many more years of my life without that horrible weight on my shoulders and out of the constant cloud of oppression and misery. I decided I'd rather be dead and nothing than live forever trapped that way.
*shudder*
having frequented this board for about two years, i've noticed over time that, in a sense, there has come to be almost a 'religion', set of beliefs, or 'teaching' that has kind of evolved here.
there seem to be certain things that the majority, in some cases even a consensus, of members here agree on.
some examples that come to mind:.
You think that 50% of us think disfellowshipping is OK?
Ummm.....