Posts by Bobcat

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Why did the WT writers switch the people in the GENERATION from the general population to ' The Anointed?

by prologos in

what is your theory on the reason that prompted that?

the intend?

the hoped-for outcome?.

Bobcat

For lurkers interested in this question, I posted some analytical points about this subject here, here, and here.

From the February 1927 WT until about 1951, the Society held to the idea that "this generation" was referring to the anointed. The difference was that they viewed all the 'anointed' (aka the 144,000) from 33 CE until the present time as "this generation." That idea was related to their perceived fulfillment of Revelation 7:1-3.

As to why "the anointed," rather than the general population: Besides the fact that the inexorable passage of time is really screwing with their theology, it could be that "the anointed," as a group, are much harder to define than the general population. A census can do a good job of numbering the general population. But who can number "the anointed." The only "anointed" that the GB recognize are themselves. Any other claimants are just that, claimants, of whom 'time will tell.' The GB, IMO, may believe that they would be much harder to pin down on this subject by going with "the anointed."

Bobcat

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Bible Highlights (from the book of Numbers) : Was Zipporah the Cushite wife of Moses in Numbers 12:1 ?

by raymond frantz in

was zipporah the cushite wife of moses in numbers 12:1 ?

(click the link above to readf the full post).

"now miriam and aaron began to speak against moses because of the cushite wife he had married, for he had taken a cushite wife.

Bobcat

Is that Charlton Heston in a scene from "The Ten Commandments"? It kinda looks like him, but its been awhile since I've seen the movie. I wonder if Zipporah was Moses' "Cinnamon Girl "?

Bobcat

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Is Armageddon part of the Great Tribulation? what was WT writers word?

by prologos in

jw
friends

or put into other words:.

is armageddon included in in "all the things" that are to come to pass during the 'generation' that jesus spoke about?.

Bobcat

Here is the context of Revelation 16:13-21 NWT:

Events as a result of the pouring out of the sixth bowl:

13 And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.

15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.”

16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged′on.

Events as a result of the pouring out of the seventh bowl:

17 And the seventh one poured out his bowl upon the air. At this a loud voice issued out of the sanctuary from the throne, saying: “It has come to pass!”

18 And lightnings and voices and thunders occurred, and a great earthquake occurred such as had not occurred since men came to be on the earth, so extensive an earthquake, so great.

Events that occur during or as a result of the "great earthquake":

19 And the great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and Babylon the Great was remembered in the sight of God, to give her the cup of the wine of the anger of his wrath.
20 Also, every island fled, and mountains were not found.
21 And a great hail with every stone about the weight of a talent descended out of heaven upon the men, and the men blasphemed God due to the plague of hail, because the plague of it was unusually great. 17 And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke . . .

Just going by the immediate context, "Armageddon" is a symbolic place that is arrived at before the "great earthquake" begins. If there is a correspondence with Matthew 24, it would have to be with Matthew 24:15, that is, a situation that is arrived at just before the great earthquake begins. It would appear, based on Revelation 16:16, 17 to be THE event that triggers the pouring out of the seventh bowl, which results in the "great earthquake." See also my post here. You might also note a similarity of the pouring out of the seventh bowl with the blowing of the seventh trumpet in Revelation 11:15-18.

Extending the point further, this would mean that all of the "great earthquake" takes place at Armageddon, since that is where "the kings of the earth" have been gathered to when the great earthquake breaks out.

Bobcat

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Old friend and new CO come calling.

by Wasanelder Once in

an old friend brought the co by the house today.

i answered the door before i knew who it was.

it was low key and not a lot of pressure.

Bobcat

Here is a news report about their son's health problems. Also here.

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Old friend and new CO come calling.

by Wasanelder Once in

an old friend brought the co by the house today.

i answered the door before i knew who it was.

it was low key and not a lot of pressure.

Bobcat

We had Jamie Rundquist in the late 90s, before he had the "circuit breaker." His wife was very early 20s at the time and he was late 30s. I understand that his child had some very difficult health problems.

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Jesus 1000 years and Satan's 1000 years in the abyss

by berrygerry in

the thread about satan in the abyss for 1000 years prompts a question.. jesus will rule for 1000 years.. jesus began ruling in 1914, which means his 1000 year reign will end in 2914.. satan will be abyssed for 1000 years.. if the end comes in 2020, satan will be abyssed in 2020, and then released in 3020.. what happens between 2914 and 3020?.

honest question..

Bobcat

Jesus has been reigning since his first advent (Matthew 28:18; Colossians 1:13). He reigns 'until all his enemies have been subdued' (1 Cor 15:25). It is his followers that reign with him for the 1000 years (Rev 5:9, 10; 20:1-4). The phrase, "Christ's millenial reign" is a WT created fiction.

See here for a link to additional references to how long Jesus reigns.

Take Care

Bobcat

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Logic behind shunning!

by exWTslave in

jws shun those who disagree with them on the basis of some verses of apostles such as john and paul.

(2 john 10; titus 3:10; 1 corinthians 5:11; 16:22).. however, jws do not realize that these writers are known for writing things that make no sense at all.

1) john wrote: "no one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended from heaven: the son of man.

Bobcat

exWTSlave:

These writers are SIMPLY INCAPABLE of getting the sense of what Jesus himself said: “What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go in search of the one that went astray?” (Mathew 18:2)

So what is the logic behind shunning those leaving JWs? NO LOGIC!

This verse is especially right on the spot. In the WT, the straying sheep has to find his own way back and come crawling in the door and stay shunned until the slave drivers deem fit to accept him back (Luke 15:20).

Bobcat

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Ebola -274 LDS/Mormon Miss. are re-assigned, WT doing what?

by Phizzy in

the lds church (mormons) have pulled 274 missionaries out of the ebola affected areas of africa and sent them to other lands.. does the wt care enough about its sales reps to do the same ?

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Bobcat

ADCMS said:

I see a new WT-sponsored donation fund coming quickly: The "Bring The Missionaries Home From Disease-Infected Regions" fund.

'But make sure you write your checks out to the WWW. We want to use the funds wherever we see fit.'

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hello everyone

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

i've been browsing the site for some time as things that the society teach just are not adding up much these days.

by exploring some of the threads on here i'm starting to see why.

a brief bio.

Bobcat

Dis-Member:

Thanks for that post. I imagine a lot of others appreciate it too.

As for the JW.Org site, it is probably a good idea not to create a personal account either.

Bobcat

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PEER PRESSURE!!! I gave in to Pioneering during August...I feel dirty...

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, i'll admit it...i am weak.... as everyone knows, the pressure to "pioneer" during "the most momentous, awesome, amazing, centenary anniversay of jesus invisble kigdom rule, & distribute tracts about a dodgy website" campaign is very strong at the moment.... also, many will have read my threads about the extreme views and expectations in our cong for "all appointed men to pioneer" etc..... every elder and ms and their families have been announced as pioneering....i mean everyone's name was read out except mine..... i was not going to do it, as i do not believe anyone should be forced...(and of course its the last thing on earth i would rather do anyway since learning ttatt).

but i am not quite ready to make the break yet, so i realised that i would stand out more if i didnt put in a form to pioneer.

yes it would make me more conspicious, and make fading harder to do...it would bring more heat on me if i didnt pioneer.. so i gave in and submitted a form.... now, of course, i'm only going to make sure i'm seen at the key field service groups etc...but then go and do something more interesting...like count blades of grass..... ahh....i feel hypocritical to myself now......

Bobcat

A Watcher:

Thanks for the reply, and I wish you well for your health.

Bobcat