Posts by Bobcat

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Proof Exodus 24-40 is late....

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

was listening to the audio on the way to town as i have amny times buit noted a phrase that popped out.

"south toward the negab".

most people would place this in the sinai pen.

Bobcat

Are you referencing Exodus 26:18?

Here is the older NWT:

(Exodus 26:18 NWT) . . .And you must make the panel frames for the tabernacle, twenty panel frames for the side toward the Neg′eb, to the south.

And here is the revised version:

(Exodus 26:18 rNWT) . . .You are to make 20 panel frames for the south side of the tabernacle, facing south.

And here is a comparison of other translations.

The Hebrew is literally "on the southside southward." The problem is the Hebrew word negeb ( נֶ֫גֶב; Strong's 5045) can mean "south" or it can be a proper noun, "Negev." It would appear that the revised NWT was corrected to read as most translations do.

Bobcat

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US World Power: Time Running Out

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-rise-and-fall-of-modern-empires-2014-9.

tick tock...... forget about that daniel image/prophecy stuff.

the process is being accelerated by trying to sanction russia, as they draw closer to china and thereby build an alternative economic system( including a swift banking arrangement of their own).

Bobcat

i personally believe that sooner or later collapse will come for usa

I agree. And I don't buy the WT's idea that the US is the last world power. That idea is not Daniel's. It's the WT's.

While USA has tons of problems and so does EU, never underestimate ability of Westerners to wage a war. In past 2500 years no single civilization ever was able to conquer them. Never.

IMO, the fall from top-dog status for the US will be self-inflicted. In fact, much of the damage to their present world status is already self-inflicted. And I agree with Metatron that all this seems near.

Having said that, the US and the West (but especially the US) has proven remarkably resilient. All the economic doomsayers (Peter Schiff, Paul Craig Roberts, Gerald Celente, et al) have time and again been off on their predictions. Yet, the economic fundamentals that underly their predictions are sound. And the economic actions the US and West have taken to stave off collapse only seem to be painting them further into a corner.

Either way, the future looks interesting.

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BOE 2014-09-01 Our Kingdom Ministry PDF

by WatchTower87 in

to all congregations.

please arrange for this letter to be read to the congregation at the first service meeting after its receipt.

thereafter, it should be posted on the information board.

Bobcat

It appears that the WT is now letting anyone download the OKM: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/kingdom-ministry

Opps! Looks like someone beat me to it: here. And here.

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Another bible contradiction about Jesus being king or what???

by Crazyguy in

the lies of the org continue, i was reading revelation and i came accross rev 19:6 in their bible and its states "and i heard a loud voice of a great crowd and as a sound of many waters and as a sound of heavy thunders.

they said: praise jah, you people, because jehovah our god, the almighty has begun to rule as king.

" then my first thought, what does it acctually say in their greek interlinear because at rev.

Bobcat

Wonderment:

Good post. I reposted some of your comment here for reference.

The aorist views an action as a single whole, but may contemplate it from different angles . The aorist states the fact of an occurring action with little or no emphasis on time or duration.

This is the reason that the NAC commentary quoted in this post (see the "footnote" quote) did not view "they are saying peace and security" as an end time event, but rather, as an ongoing attitude. In this case (1 Th 5:3), the aorist is lacking.

Enjoyed your post.

Bobcat

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When and where is the War in Heaven, supposedly?

by jam in

1)when did this war breakout or did i miss it.. many commentators conclude that the battle between michael.

and the dragon occurs roughly at the start of the church age.. some even argue that the battleground is the church itself.. others say this scene describes the dispute between michael.

and satan for the body of moses (jude 9) or the long-ago.

Bobcat

Wonderment made a good comment about Luke 10:18 (here) that related to when Satan is ousted from heaven. I am reposting a portion of his post here so as to catalog the reference with this subject.

[Start quote]

***** said: "It is interesting to note that JW.Org changed the meaning of Luke 10:18." At that he said to them, ‘I began to behold Satan already fallen like lightening from heaven’ (old NWT) and ‘ ........I see Satan already fallen......from heaven.’" (new NWT). Both of these translations are wrong for the same reason and in this case the action of falling from heaven is complete not ongoing."

The ESV Study Bible comments on this verse: "It is not clear whether Jesus is speaking of a vision by which he saw something in the spiritual realm or if this simply a graphic declaration of what has been happening, but in either case Jesus indicates that Satan's authority and power over people has been decisively broken."

Although the imperfect tense used here (" I was watching Satan fall") is normally associated with the past, context has to be taken into consideration for the final rendering choice, as the ESV Committee suggested that the passage was not all that clear. Allowing the possibility of a vision here can justify the NWT translation reading. Jesus' reply that he saw Satan fall has been viewed several ways. One explanation of various given, is that Jesus may have been saying he saw the casting out of demons by the Seventy as the beginning of the ultimate defeat of Satan himself.

[End quote]

Bobcat

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Another bible contradiction about Jesus being king or what???

by Crazyguy in

the lies of the org continue, i was reading revelation and i came accross rev 19:6 in their bible and its states "and i heard a loud voice of a great crowd and as a sound of many waters and as a sound of heavy thunders.

they said: praise jah, you people, because jehovah our god, the almighty has begun to rule as king.

" then my first thought, what does it acctually say in their greek interlinear because at rev.

Bobcat

CrazyGuy:

Check out this reference here. It is the NICNT-Revelation commentary (G. K. Beale). Click on where it says "Front Cover." In the drop down list click on page "972" and then scroll backwards to page 932. There it discusses the OT background to God 'beginning to reign' as a consequence of his subdueing his enemies. There is also a sub-title on "temporal questions" and the Greek in the text of Revelation at 19:6.

Bobcat

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JW.Org And The Folks Who Vote With Their Feet

by metatron in

jw
friends

there is great enthusiasm in many congregations in regard to the wonderful new way to sit around wasting time in the "ministry".

so much easier than trotting from door to door.

however, some who set up the literature/jw.org carts have noticed a disturbing phenomena:.

Bobcat

OTWO, thanks for the response. You're right about starting time right out the door of the KH. They'll call a study to make sure they are home. The clock starts . . .

Bobcat

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10% Way Through 1000 year reign

by Coded Logic in

not sure if anyones posted on this topic, but it just hit me that if jesus thousand year reign started in 1914 then we are already 10% way though and no "sign of the end" yet.

can the wtbts really hold out much longer?

are we going to have to wait for 3014 for them to admitt they got it wrong?.

Bobcat

leaving_quietly:

Re Heb 5:9, thanks for a new (to me) point to research!

Bobcat

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10% Way Through 1000 year reign

by Coded Logic in

not sure if anyones posted on this topic, but it just hit me that if jesus thousand year reign started in 1914 then we are already 10% way though and no "sign of the end" yet.

can the wtbts really hold out much longer?

are we going to have to wait for 3014 for them to admitt they got it wrong?.

Bobcat

For those interested in when the scriptures say Jesus would reign and who it is that reigns for 1000 years: see here and here.

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Today's WT study! So hypocritical!

by stuckinarut2 in

so today's study is all about being kindly, and not judgemental to those in the congregation....we don't know their circumstances etc.... i can't believe the hypocrisy being spewed out...both in the article and by means of the answers from the audience!.

we know the reality is so different!

unless a witness does everything exactly as the gb directs...in every aspects of life, they are effectively no longer a good person, but are viewed as spiritually lacking or weak..... they are going directly beyond the biblical directives, and being ones who condemn, rather than ones who commend!.

Bobcat

The comment that came to my mind was regarding the opening picture which seems to show a mother/daughter late for the meeting and a couple behind them looking judgemental about it. The article was trying to get the idea across that we should not be like that judgemental couple.

In reality, the CO and elders talk at other times about how disrespectful to Jehovah it is when people show up late for the meetings. My comment (in my mind) was how 'strong' this mother had to really be to be arriving late, knowing that, by showing up late (for whatever reason), she had already been condemned by the CO/elders as 'disrespectful of God.'

The article, by itself, was not that bad. The reality is often different, even by those 'taking the lead.'