Posts by Bobcat

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Adultery, Divorce, Remarry

by azl0058 in

my brother (who is a witness) has been married for 8 years.

he and his wife (also a witness) got married young, but he never really tried in the marriage, but she also lost his trust early on.

he says that it was his fault though because he pushed her away.. anyways, he met this new girl (not a witness) and told his wife that he wanted to separate.

I think A-F (above) is right in that once adultery has been committed and a divorce has been completed (not just filed) then, the man and his wife are no longer "scripturally married." On the other hand, if the man and his wife engage in intercourse after the adultery has taken place, then, she (in the WT's eyes) has given up her right to scripturally divorce him (until he commits adultery again).

The result would be (after adultery + legal divorce) that both are free to remarry in the WT's view. With this exception: The wife would not be free to remarry her ex as long as he is DFed. If she did she would also be DFed for intentionally associating (via marriage) with a DFed person.

Since the man admits to committing adultery for the purpose of being free to marry the new girl, he can expect that he won't be reinstated for many years. I think the KS textbook says this in so many words. The elders would have to wait a long time to see evidence of repentance since there was, not just a 'moment of weakness' involved in the adultery, but premeditation.

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New-Old Light on Alternative Military Service

by Vanderhoven7 in

not sure where i picked this up.

"new-old light on alternative military service.

fact 1: the watchtower sanctioned both military service and alternative military service under charles russell.. .

Bobcat

e-trainedHi V7,

The WT is a sorry, elusive bunch. Someone on exJW/Reddit put their viewpoint succinctly (copied to here).

Many of us went along with these things thinking we were obeying our Bible-trained conscious, not realizing we were really obeying "the commands of men as doctrine." It is a tribute to how adept WT has become in their propaganda techniques. Communists and despots of all ages would be nodding in approval at WT's mind-control abilities.

Thanks for assembling these quotes above.

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Did You Fully Buy the WT View of Romans 6:7 (Acquitted of Sin by Dying) ?

by Sea Breeze in

romans chapter 6 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the old man in the king james version.

the old personality must die, he cannot be fixed.

the old personality is characterized by dominance of the flesh.

Bobcat

Hi SB

We had an off-site discussion of Romans 6:7 here.

I appreciate the list of related texts.

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More Mary Martha and Lazarus

by peacefulpete in

in a previous thread discussing the rich man and lazarus parable in luke, the relationship of this parable to the lazarus resurrection story arose.

as i said in that thread i'm pretty convinced that the writer of john fleshed out this character in the rich man& lazarus parable into a narrative featuring a man named lazarus.

the reasons essentially are:.

Bobcat

Hi PeacefulPete,

Here is a post I made on another site on the topic of a possible relationship between the Rich man & Lazarus parable and the resurrection of Lazarus.

And as a 'plot twist' not mentioned in your post, my link has a link to a thread discussing the idea that John was not the writer of the 4th gospel. See the last paragraph in my linked post for a link to that.

Well, you asked for "thoughts." There is mine. Thanks for the links in your post. I'll check them out.

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Christmas star of Bethlehem to appear for 1st. Time in 800 years

by nowwhat? in

as spock would say " fascinating".. with 2020 being such a terrible year.

are people of the christian faith going to look at this as a sign of god, to give them hope and renew their faith?

coincidence?

Bobcat

On side note watchtower says it was Satan that provided the star so herod would find the baby Jesus. So They are saying Satan is powerful enough to move planets?

I have a thread (here, off site) with extensive (Biblical) research into this account. The WT's take/explanation of the account starts with a false assumption (that the star leads the Magi to Jerusalem). The link goes into the details.

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YOU ARE HER EVERYTHING!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

you are what she wanted to be!please, let us remove any blame to anyone right up front.

what happened to petra was not the fault of mark o'donnell, listener, corney, mike and kim, or anyone else.. constant rejection and shunning even at an early age, the depression was storing up inside of her.

she was shunned inside the hall and outside the hall.

Bobcat

Thanks "grandpa" for enlightening us. It's good Petra has you to lean on. Take care, both of you.

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Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?

by BluesBrother in

if you live in the u s a or the united kingdom, this is how the wt society views your government, your nation :-.

yes, as an ugly, evil terrifying beast !

this is based on the book of revelation chapter 13 , quoted as follows in the revelation climax book.

Bobcat

Hi Joen,

I don't think Australia was in the mind of the writer of Acts 1:8

I agree with you about that. Luke (the normally attributed writer of Acts) probably did not know of the existence of Australia (or many other parts of the earth for that matter). On the other hand, Jesus, to whom the saying in Ac 1:8 is attributed, would have had some understanding of the size of the planet and how it's land masses were distributed (assuming he was who the NT claims him to be - Jn 1:3, 10). So when Jesus speaks of the gospel being preached to the "most distant part of the earth" there would be good reason for thinking he meant it literally.

And we have the history of Christianity that backs up the fact that the gospel has reached every part of the earth. Not that all proclaimed Christians have backed up the good news with their fine conduct. Often, just the reverse. But even that was expected beforehand. (Mt 13:24, 25, 30, 47, 48)

Paul (at Ac 17:30, 31) also explained that Jesus' death and resurrection had changed God's relationship with humankind. According to Paul, following Jesus' resurrection, God was calling for "all men, everywhere" to "repent" because a day of judgment was coming. If one understands that day of judgment to still be ahead of us, then, in all fairness, the good news would need to be proclaimed "to the most distant part of the earth" in order for "all men, everywhere" to hear it and choose how they would respond.

I am not trying to argue with you Joen. Nor am I trying to support what the WT believes, although, I don't disagree with everything the WT holds to. For some years now I have tried to fashion my beliefs apart from WT influence. But I also don't automatically disagree with the WT just to be disagreeable with them. I am just stating how I understand things. And I also understand that, like the car commercials used to say, 'your mileage may vary.' So I respect your right to view things differently.

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Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?

by BluesBrother in

if you live in the u s a or the united kingdom, this is how the wt society views your government, your nation :-.

yes, as an ugly, evil terrifying beast !

this is based on the book of revelation chapter 13 , quoted as follows in the revelation climax book.

Bobcat

Not directly. but indirectly. (Acts 1:8)

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Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?

by BluesBrother in

if you live in the u s a or the united kingdom, this is how the wt society views your government, your nation :-.

yes, as an ugly, evil terrifying beast !

this is based on the book of revelation chapter 13 , quoted as follows in the revelation climax book.

Bobcat

[Caesar] could number the whole world Luke 2:1

Actually, "inhabited earth" or "world" (οἰκουμένην) in Luke 2:1 is usually understood to refer to the Roman Empire (see here). A sizable area for sure, but definitely not the entire earth. And Rome had a few other rival empires to contend with over time such as the Carthaginians and the Parthians. (See here.)

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Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?

by BluesBrother in

if you live in the u s a or the united kingdom, this is how the wt society views your government, your nation :-.

yes, as an ugly, evil terrifying beast !

this is based on the book of revelation chapter 13 , quoted as follows in the revelation climax book.

Bobcat

Some references for this topic (none being religious sources):

From BBC News.

From The Imperial and Global Forum.

From a commentary from a National Security Journal.

From the Global Research website.