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  Circuit Assembly Questions

  by DATA-DOG in

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  i have to go to the ca this weekend for family reasons... the only bright side is that i may spot some hypocrisy to share with others.

  if my suffering helps just one person then it's worth the effort.

  i know why the caged bird sings... .

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  NVR2L8:

  Searcher may have in mind the publisher per diem rate for Society owned facilities.
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  Pecking Order in the Millennium

  by Cold Steel in

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  okay, the smoke has cleared.

  everyone's dead who had it coming and the remainder find that their bodies have been changed.

  no more disease, no more aging, no more human weaknesses and the weather is perfect.

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  Cold Steel:

  Once a third or more of the population is removed, all the infrastructure and much of the technical innovation that has been built up since the dawn of the industrial revolution is basically history. Some of it may be usable as is, but only as long as it lasts.

  This idea isn't 'Revelation' based, but is a standard premise in Nuclear/Biological War planning. Even non-war events, such as the supposed coming "Peak Oil" crisis (e.g. see here) are envisaged to include a large scale die-off of humans and subsequent collapse of the modern lifestyle with all its associated infrastructure.

  The history channel had a series called "Life After Humans" that hypothasized a total removal of humans. But it wouldn't take anywhere near that much to end the modern world as we are familiar with. The BBC movie "Threads" attempted to incorporate that idea in its docudrama. See just the opening scene for how it describes modern life.)
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  What if we were a video game?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to imagine this, just imagine creating one yourself, like a video game.

  you create a virtual world, you design a planet, even a universe if you choose to.

  you focus on one planet and design it, create life on it.

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  EOM:

  Have you ever seen "The Thirteenth Floor"? (And here.)
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  Isn`t the scripture at Rev.12: 12,13 Pointless ? " Woe for the earth...because the Devil has come down to you having great anger...."

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  doesnt the bible clearly show he has always been on the earth causing trouble and havoc ?

  onwards.. then especially with the account in the book of job.. not forgetting his tempting jesus in the wilderness.. being reinforced in 2cor.4:4 "...the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of unbeleivers...".

  all of which occurs on earth with humans , so whats the big deal about rev.12:12,13 ?.

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  Bobcat

  I opined above that the true intent of Satan's ousting from heaven in Rev 12:7-12 is, not for the purpose of trapping him in the location of our planet, but to remove him from access to the heavens. Verse 10 gives the reason, "Because (Greek hoti) the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!"

  Several other verses (all from the old NWT) in the Bible coincide with this view:

  (John 12:31-33) . . .Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And yet I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw men of all sorts to me.” 33 This he was really saying to signify what sort of death he was about to die.

  (Romans 8:31-34) . . .What, then, shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who will be against us? 32 He who did not even spare his own Son but delivered him up for us all, why will he not also with him kindly give us all other things? 33 Who will file accusation against God’s chosen ones? God is the One who declares [them] righteous. 34 Who is he that will condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, rather the one who was raised up from the dead, who is on the right hand of God, who also pleads for us. . .

  (Colossians 1:21, 22) . . .Indeed, YOU who were once alienated and enemies because YOUR minds were on the works that were wicked, 22 he now has again reconciled by means of that one’s fleshly body through [his] death, in order to present YOU holy and unblemished and open to no accusation before him . . .

  The casting out of Satan has to be located after Jesus' death and resurrection. Nor is there any reason why it would have to wait until "about 1914-1918." The Romans 8 passage shows God already having made a decision that leaves no further room for an accuser.
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  Feb 2014 WT Study article

  by molybdenum in

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  2. bible

  the caption under the picture in the first article.

  hail christthe glorious king!says:.

  birds will be called on to cleanse the earth (see paragraph 18).

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  Bobcat

  Your right. It is a "fowl" thing to say. (Perhaps you meant "foul.")
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  The Ultimate Jehovah's Witness Question??? dun dun DUN

  by runForever in

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  there is a gray space, unconnected rifts in the truth.

  it is a question that once you ask it you will never be the same - like being on the.

  event horizon of a black hole.

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  The bigger the tract the bigger the angle from which it can be viewed. Of course, font size must also be incorporated into the meta-preaching time continuum effect that the tract conveys on its owner. I'm sure someone has a formula for constructing an accurate time-counting model . . .
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  When did Jesus start ruling as king?

  by DS211 in

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  cindy: o.k.

  cindy, now read the next two verses 25 and 26.. cindy: for he must rule as king until [god] has put all enemies under his feet.

  cindy: i never saw that before!.

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  DS211:

  Thanks for reproducing that 'conversation.' I knew from an earlier thread that 1 Cor. 15 replaces "sit at God's right hand" with "rule as king." But that was neat how 'Karen' brought out how when all the enemies are under his feet, Jesus then hands the kingdom back to God.

  Also a good point when she asks, 'If Jesus had all authority in Matthew 28:18, what authority was there left to gain in 1914.

  Excellent post!

  Take Care
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  Pages 1766-1767 of the 2013 NWT

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. bible

  pages 1766-1767 of the 2013 nwt states that the message of the bible is gods right to rule.. given that the wts declares that gods kingdom rule began in 1914, one would suspect that this would feature.

  instead, there is a vague reference to something that supposedly happened about 1914.. here's the picture:.

  http://www.jwstudies.com/2013_nwt__pages_1766__1767.jpg.

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  Phizzy:

  The Society has an explanation for why WWI and October 1914 do not coincide. Its in the w72 6/1 p.352. If you don't have it I'll copy here.

  Take Care
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  Pages 1766-1767 of the 2013 NWT

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  pages 1766-1767 of the 2013 nwt states that the message of the bible is gods right to rule.. given that the wts declares that gods kingdom rule began in 1914, one would suspect that this would feature.

  instead, there is a vague reference to something that supposedly happened about 1914.. here's the picture:.

  http://www.jwstudies.com/2013_nwt__pages_1766__1767.jpg.

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  I think the "about" is related to when Satan was 'cast down to the earth.' The Society views it as after the establishment of the Kingdom ('the child being caught away to God's throne' of Rev 12:6, which is in October 1914) BUT before the 'persecution' resulting in the arrest of the seven in the spring of 1918 (of Revelation 12:13, 14). Upon their release, 'about' 9 months later (equated with the 3 1/2 days of Rev 11:9), the "time and times and half a time" occurs which runs from the spring of 1919 to about September of 1922, culminating in the 'Advertise, advertise, advertise the King and his Kingdom' talk at the Cedar Point convention.

  For the Society, the devil can be ousted from heaven anytime within the sandwiching dates of October 1914 and March/April 1918. The exact date is not important except that it be between those dates. Since Rev. 12:7 says they "battled" in heaven, it leaves open the possibility that the outcome of the battle was not immediate.

  Anonymouz is correct that there is a 42 month period from Oct 1914 to March/April 1918 involved with Rev 11:2, 3. (They may have shifted that to Dec 1914 - June 1918. Not sure why at the moment but might be related to their conviction in June 1918 and subsequent imprisoning in Atlanta. They say they were sent off on July 4th 1918, which they view as ironic - US Independence Day holiday.)

  The Society probably says "about 1914-1918 so as to prevent any JWs from giving a more specific date, which many would if they simply said "October 1914."
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  John 7:53-8:11 - taken out of the new bible

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is the proof it should be there?.

  i've brought up to jws that revelation says not to take anything out or you will get the second death.. but they are ok with it because they compare it to not using the book of thomas, mary, etc.. what would you say to that?.

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  Bobcat

  Hey Phizzy:

  I wasn't trying to be argumentative at all. You make valid points all around. I just wanted to add the current academic view.

  Take Care