Posts by Nambo

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Will you ever go back to the Jehovah's Witnesses?

by XPeterX in

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discuss..

Nambo

I would go back tommorow if they would have me for I miss many of the Brothers and sisters so much, going through the triaks and tribiulations of the truth bonds people together in the way war does, I find it just isnt as real in the world, life and people are easy and shallow.

However, they would not have me, I cannot lie to others and it would be even harder to lie to myself to admit to believing in thier doctrines of men, though I do think the trurh would actually be easier to endure as you would now be able to ignore all the propogander such as "Jehovah is going to kill you any day now because you dont do enough hours in order to earn your salvation".

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Human suffering as a result of sin / Angelic suffering ? being the instigator of human sin ?

by smiddy in

according to the bible adam & eve were created perfect and because they sinned,disobeyeyed god they, and their offspring have suffered death disease and unimaginable consequences these past 6000 years.they also needed a redeemer,a saviour,to rid themselves of this curse and once again, enjoy perfection,in a paradise earth,according to the wtb&ts.

( we wont even touch upon why the rest of creation needed to go through such suffering not only land animals but the creatures of the sea ) one species preys on another for survival .. so my question is : why wasn`t their some sort of paralell penalty dished out to satan and any of his followers,satan being the instigator,deceiving eve in the first place.. shouldent satan be more culpable than adam or eve ?

what is his pain,suffering,these past 6000 years ,or his followers for that matter.. dont we read in job`s day he still had access to the heavens and appeared b4 jehovah ?.

Nambo

I know it seems like Jehovah personally goes around murdering babies and puppies as punishment for what we did in Eden, but Iam more inclined to think these "punishments of God" are more likely just the concesquences and results of our leaving Gods care than any deliberate action by God.

The Angels, being self-sufficent, will naturally appear to suffer less than mankind as we are so much more vunerable.

I belive the God proactively punishing part is carried out by Jesus, and occurs at the end of the 1000 years.

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Do you have a favourite scripture?

by Ucantnome in

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i have two.. luke 4.

16 he went to nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom.

he stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet isaiah was handed to him.

Nambo

Cannot remember where it is, a prophesy about Jesus.

"No broken reed will he crush"

Seems the org does the opposite and drives us broken people away, but when Jesus himself comes, he wont destroy us just because we are not JW perfect.

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Does this make more sense than 1914

by biometrics in

a non-jw friend (whom i thought was sane) sent me this video:.

http://119ministries.com/daniel-unsealed.

to summarise.

Nambo

There is a lot of recent "sightings" and "whistleblowing" to try and get us to belive we are to be invaded by "Aliens" and only a united World Government will be able to save us, I think Project Bluebeam is along these lines, so I belive the video might be part of this deciept.

As for the 2016 date, as I cannot be bothered to go through all that 119 ministries stuff, are you able to summarise how they arrive at this date please?

I have my own theory that if Babylon the Great took Jersualem in 1948 then if the 70 years of the original Babylon is a pattern, then the rulership of the Beast or New World Order will be 42 months that include when they destroy BTG in 2018, so 2016 comes in that time frame.

Also, when President Medvedev at a G8 summit a couple of years back, gave everyone a sample coin of a possible One World Global currency, the article said they where hoping to impliment such by 2016, (they just have to crash the individual currencies first).

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No can I get out of going in service?

by Captain Obvious in

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as some of you who read my previous thread know, my matrix moment has passed, and i am on my way out.

i am trying very hard to fade slowly in hopes that my wife will wake up, and maybe my family too.

the problem is, my conscience still works well, and i don't want to go out in if service and tell people things that i know aren't true.

Nambo

I used to feel Holy Spirit back in my better field Ministry days and wonder why if the organisation is wrong.

When I think about my field service however, I realise I was never trying to push the organisation onto people, I was trying to push God so maybe thats why?

The point being, if your concience wont let you lie, just relate the Biblical parts you belive are true.

Assuming that is you arnt throwing the baby, (Jesus) out with the dirty bathwater.

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Fun with the July 15th WT illustration

by undercover in

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yes, friends, it's that time once more... when we clip some wt art to a post and try to find all the subliminal wt propaganda messages hidden in the illustration.

(kinda like, "can you find the differences between these two drawings" for kids in the sunday comics).

here's the illustration:.

Nambo

This is too subtle for me, have the society stopped drawing demons faces and spelling out Satanic messages in the folds of clothing these days?

Is it "new light".

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9/11 Conspiracy nuts...60% of Americans are you KIDDING!!!!

by Witness 007 in

60% of americans in one servey think the government did it.....even though there is no sold evidence.

let me spell it out.....a huge airplane full of fuel hit the building plowing thru the steel supports, thousands of witnesses, and video fotage, it almost flew through the building with debris blowing out the other side.

although it appears in the footage there is alot of smoke but no fire, right?

Nambo

For some reason, I cannot copy and paste on this forum, otherwise I could have you all on page 40 by now with the material Ive gathered over the years, films of Police Witnesses to the Pentegon plane, in thier uniforms, by thier police car telling how they saw the Pentagon plane flying along a completly differant path than the path we were told.

Thing is, Iam bored now anyway, Ive done enough debating and showing people "material" to learn you can never change anybodies mind either way.

Iam somewhat suprised though that a bunch of folk who have had it drumbed into them for years that we are living in an age of Satanic deciept and that Babylon the Great decieves all the nations should find it so very difficult to belive that a Government that has started more wars than Hitler, would be anything but honest and moral and that every word they utter is to be belived by all but the "stupid" whilst we are seeing a Police State formed around us, and endless wars we are having to pay for as evidence they are not as democratic as we would like.

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9/11 Conspiracy nuts...60% of Americans are you KIDDING!!!!

by Witness 007 in

60% of americans in one servey think the government did it.....even though there is no sold evidence.

let me spell it out.....a huge airplane full of fuel hit the building plowing thru the steel supports, thousands of witnesses, and video fotage, it almost flew through the building with debris blowing out the other side.

although it appears in the footage there is alot of smoke but no fire, right?

Nambo

Witness 007,

You obviously didnt google some of the helpfull suggestions I posted.

You yourself said the pentagen pane was allmost flying at ground level, and how fast was it going?, 500 miles an hour or some such?

Try again, Google ground effect, its a physical impossibility the official story, its against all laws of physics, it cannot happen!

Google Pilots for truth, they are professional pilots who know these big planes and what they are not capable of, you might learn a thing or two.

Or in case you are not that interestedenough I will spell it out.

A cushion of air develops under a wing, when a wing gets too close to the ground, it cannot displace as fast as it is created depending on the speed of the wing through the air, that cushion of air therefore becomes a barrier that holds an aircraft off the ground, the faster it is, the higher the craft is heald up.

Its why you see birds flying so fast and effortlessly a short distance above calm water, Ground Effect!

Another rthing you probably dont know, those particular aircraft can reach the speeds we where told they where flying at, but only at high alltitude where the air is so thin, according to the manufacturers of those planes, they would break apart if they could even manage to fly as fast as we where told they did long before they hit any building.

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Is a malevolent higher power behind the Watchtowers seeming addiction to badness and obliviousness?

by Fernando in

we discuss the watchtowers seeming addiction to badness and obliviousness daily on jwn.. .

is it natural or supernatural?.

what are your thoughts?.

Nambo

Have a read of the followings site claims that Rutherford was "inspired" and in contact with "Angels" who might equally have been Demons.

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/rutherford_spirit_medium

Or just search rutherford contact with spirits and click on the first link.

I was impressed that Rutherford got his prediction correct about the League of Nations returning after the second world war, a bit suspitious that the only thing he dot right wasnt to do with Jesus kingdom rule, but was to do with Satans Kingdom.

Maybe that is why?

I would think the Devil has a religion to suit everyone, he has had to get rather close to the truth to entice and mislead the sort of Bible respecting, Kingdom wanting folk who become Jehovahs Witnesses, but he has done it nontheless.

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Explain in a FEW word's why the 607 date is incorrect.

by XPeterX in

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"if you can't explain it simply you don't understand it wel enough" albert einstein.

Nambo

Russells "Two Witnesses" where the Bible and the Great Pyramid.

Russell eventually arrived at the 1914 date by measuring passageways in the Great Pyramid, this is how he arrived at 1914.

He then used the Bible to back up his pyramid date by using differant parts of it to arrive at the 1914 date, even if he hadnt had to manipulate historical events slightly to make it all fit, I find it highly dubious that Jehovah would have used something as unclean as a Satanic, false god worshipping pyramid as one of his "two Witnesses".

Now if God wasnt envolved in the Pyramid after all, as I seem to recall Rutherford denouncing the earlier teaching of the pyramid, but still keeping its 1914 prophetic measurements, rightly saying it was Satanic after all, then how did those measurements point to 1914 without Jehovahs advice?, for if Jesus didnt know the date or the hour, (Jesus wasnt as clever as Russell you see, even though Jesus knew the Bible and the date of Jerusalems fall, he obviously wasnt as Spiritual as Russell else Jesus would have known when his second coming was!), then Satan wouldnt have lnown it either.

The conclusion being, even if 607 was the correct date, the JW using such to point to the 2nd coming would still bewrong.

My view is that the JWs havnt been anouncing Christs Kingdom ruling from 1914, they have inadvertantly been announcing the Kingdom that was given birth too by 1914 events, namely, Satans Kingdom using the vehicle of the United Nations that was previously the League of Nations, aka the Scarlet coloured wild beast! not Jesus at all!

And those who are aware of the coming New World Order will also know its symbal is...............The Pyramid!!!!!