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  Could the New Light About the Faithful&Discrete Slave Open the Governing Body to more Lawsuits?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  can a skillful lawyer use this information in court as evidence of lack of fullfillment of fuduciary duty on thier part since they claim to be the only true religion and obedience is a life and death matter.. just saying could not the governing body just be falling into a trap of thier own making and not even be consciously realizing it?

  and maybe consciously and unconsciously thier legal team is pushing them that way conspiracy theorys could take many turns on that one.. how about conspiracies that operate in the collective unconscious level, conspirering against them unconscious to them making themselve thier own worst enemy..

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  KS... ^^^ agreed. Really nothing has changed has it?
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  Just got a visit from elders

  by TweetieBird in

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  2. friends

  well, it's sunday morning and i'm sitting here posting on this board when i hear 2 car doors slam.

  i peek out the window and see 2 elders walking up to the door.

  since i'm still in my jammies, i told my husband to go get the door while i snuck into the bedroom.

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  Search Atlantis' posts. You will get the KMs in PDF before they arrive at the KH. lol
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  How Many Hours Did You Spend Going to the Meetings and Ministry?

  by God_Delusion in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i spent far too many.

  in fact, i recently created a spreadsheet and documented how many hours i spent in total per week.

  it's so depressing.

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  4 hours a day minimum on average over 25 years. 36,000 hours. 4.2 years of life. Damn.
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  Could the New Light About the Faithful&Discrete Slave Open the Governing Body to more Lawsuits?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  can a skillful lawyer use this information in court as evidence of lack of fullfillment of fuduciary duty on thier part since they claim to be the only true religion and obedience is a life and death matter.. just saying could not the governing body just be falling into a trap of thier own making and not even be consciously realizing it?

  and maybe consciously and unconsciously thier legal team is pushing them that way conspiracy theorys could take many turns on that one.. how about conspiracies that operate in the collective unconscious level, conspirering against them unconscious to them making themselve thier own worst enemy..

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  The Governing Body's decision to declare themselves the Faithful And Discreet Slave is a bold manuever.

  Steven Unthank in Australia successfully charged the Faithful And Discreet Slave for non compliance with the Working With Children Act.

  Watchtower claimed that the Faithful and Discreet slave was a ecclesiastical designation which isolated individuals from legal liability.
  
  The Governing Body is now identifying the FDS with an identifiable group of people. This is an egregious move considering that the FDS was charged in Australia.
  
  The October 1, 2012 Letter to all Bodies of Elders regarding Child Abuse stipulates that the Society takes responsibility for decisions about child abuse. In terms of legal liability, this might be good for the elders but not the Watchtower Society. The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has placed themselves wide open for legal liability.
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  The Governing Body - their own worst enemy!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been giving some thought recently to what's going on in the minds of the individual governing body members, and what makes them tick.

  the process of listening to their talks for my "getting to know you" youtube video series, though draining, has been very enlightening.

  i now feel i know some of their individual personalities a little better than i did previously.. then there has been the tumultuous events of 2012. it's been interesting to note the way the governing body has responded to some of these issues, and how in most cases their responses have been woefully inadequate or even counter-productive as regards their long-term interests.. for example:.

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  posted by seven006:

  You're coming off as an authority on this subject is as amusing as you have come of in others. I have been a professional illustrator for over 25 years. I owned an art materials manufacturing company in the 80's as well as worked as the national marketing manager for two of the largest art material companies in Europe and Japan for 14 years. Iv sat on many boards ranging from the National Art Material Trade association to the national society of illustrators. My work has been published in some of the most prestigious art related magazines and books printed on illustration. In short, I know what the hell I'm talking about.

  In 1984 the Watchtower society flew me back to Bethel to do some training and some consulting in their illustration, graphics, and photography departments. I reported directly to Dean Songer the head nut in charge. After spending a lot of time with the so called artist I gave my report to Dean covering what I thought about all three departments and the level of professionalism in them. My visit was cut short after reporting the truth they didn't want to hear. A few months after that I left the religion for good.

  As far as the subliminal images in the watchtower publications, it's all wishful thinking on the part of some exJW's with over zealous imaginations. Iv seen the book about it as well as several of the original illustrations. What you have here is a simple case of "bad art" and "creative imaginations." Most of the people working in the illustration department are far from professional. The little images some think they see in folds and body parts are nothing more than the lack of expertise by the artist and poor use of light, shadow and texture. Out of all the artist I worked with there were only two that I considered half way proficient at what they did. As with most people working at Bethel, the illustrators are not professionally trained. That was the hope of the boys in Brooklyn that I could help some of these hobby artist become professional. I turned down their offer to move back there and try to make a difference. After the report I gave, I'm sure they were happy I did.

  Through out the history of art people have claimed they have seen secret little images in some obscure piece of art. In some cases little hidden elements are done on purpose. Iv done a few myself when I knew I could get away with it and the image was not that critical. I wouldn't think of slipping in something on an illustration I do for Nike, Adidas, Disney or any of my bigger clients. It would mean death in the illustration world. There are a few famous cases from Disney that are used as examples in college illustration courses as well as a few workshops I taught in, in some of the 100 universities I lectured at. I have also seen these originals in some of my many visits to Disney studios. What someone thinks they see as opposed to what the illustrator intended is usually far from the same.

  The Watchtower society (as far as I have been told and from what I have seen) has not used professional illustrators in the past or present. They would rather save a buck and have one of their slave hacks do it than a good job they had to pay someone for. They do buy stock photo images for their publications when it is warranted. Everything else is either shot in the watchtower photo studio or illustrated by their unprofessional illustrators. The elders who run those departments are also not professional and if their life depended on it, couldn't see a wrinkle in a robe that someone might think has a monster head in it. You have unprofessionals guiding unprofessionals. That is why you have people thinking they are drawing and painting imaginary things in the watchtower art. If you think you see a dog's head in the side of Jesus so you can rant and rave about homosexuality, knock your self out. It's stupid and completely unfounded, but that's just a professional opinion.

  If you think about it, it's pretty stupid for a religious organization to try and purposely slip negative images in their art. I know if any person in the art department did something like that on purpose they would loose their brass key to the magic kingdom and be sent back to reality land. Besides, from what I saw, those people are afraid of their own shadow and wouldn't think of, or be clever enough, to slip in something they weren't supposed to. One guy (who was one of the two decent artist in the group) use to paint himself into some of the large scenes, but since they use other Bethel slaves as models for their art, nobody had a problem with it.

  Nice try, but you don't have a clue what you are talking about on this one.

  Have a nice day.

  Dave
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  Thinking of becoming a JW.

  by Kate82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  hi,.

  i am new to here so please be bear with me.. i have always believed in god, but was never baptised, my parents wanted me to make up my own mind religon wise.. i am thinking of becoming a jw and am just needing some advice on how to do this, bible study and jw beliefs.

  also do jw say grace and how.. i am greatful of any help.. thanks.

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  Tylinbrando

  http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=377&Itemid=8

  How and Why Someone Becomes a Jehovah's Witness

  A Psychological and Sociological Examination

  reprint of the Jul/Aug. 1987 Bethel Ministries Newsletter (Now Free Minds Inc Newsletter)

  by Jamie Boyden

  Taking the mystery out of why one chooses to become a Jehovah's Witness is important. Much can be gained from the fields of social psychology and sociology as to how this occurs. It should be noted then that unique, individual motivating factors predicting and accompanying a person to favorably select the JW position will not herein be considered, rather factors at large and how people respond to the factors will be the author's spotlight. It should also be stated that the focus of this article is on persons not "born into" the Watchtower Society organization.

  Would You Like to Study the Bible?

  Suffice it to say that most all prospective converts, after first meeting the JWs through a doorstep encounter, begin their indoctrination through a home book study. The weekly book study (which the Witnesses sometimes call a Bible study) is where the well-rehearsed JW and the newcomer go through a Watchtower publication together. Quite predictably, the Witness teacher asks the likely convert questions related to his reading assignments. He can read the questions written at the bottom of his study book and easily respond with the corresponding printed answers. He is continually praised for stating the appropriate Watchtower responses during his hour long book study. How important is this praise?

  Social psychologists view praise as an extremely potent social reward, not only predicting actions but also capable of altering an individual's underlying attitudes and beliefs (Insko, 1965). Research has demonstrated that people come to like those who view them positively (Byrne & Rhamey, 1965). During initial visits, it is common to hear reassuring comfort from the Witness teacher that the potential convert is wise and intelligent to be showing interest in the knowledge which his very life depends on. However, as the initiate enjoys the attention and praise of his weekly visitor, he may begin to acquire what social psychologists call attitude-discrepant behavior.

  Attitude-Discrepant Behavior

  A famous theory in social psychology is Leon Festinger's cognitive dissonance1 theory (Festinger, 1957; Wichlund & Brehm, 1976). It is based on the premise that people can't live with inconsistencies. It works like this: On the one hand, the prospective convert usually has serious questions and doubts in the back of his mind about Jehovah's Witnesses and their teachings. It may be the blood transfusion issue, their view of the governments, their exclusive claims to Christianity, etc. Or, he may imagine the embarrassment of going door to door selling magazines. Yet, he is allowing the Witness teacher into his home and is participating in a socially rewarding book study. Since his behavior is not yet in line with his negative attitudes towards the JWs, he manifests attitude-discrepant behavior.2 He may also face harsh warnings from his family and friends who tell him not to study with the JWs because they are a cult. Yet he has an honest curiosity about what the Witnesses teach and believe. He may go as far as verbally giving answers to typical Witness book study questions but not actually believing what he is saying. These are inconsistencies between his attitudes and result in a very unpleasant feeling (Higgins, Rhodewalt, & Zanna, 1979). If the potential convert does not initially have conflicting attitudes towards studying with the JWs, it is very likely to appear in a short time. Perhaps he will come upon some critical literature exposing the JW teachings, or talk to a former JW or another educated person. Even if someone does not present him with a critical viewpoint, he will often pose questions which will force him into a dissonance-creating situation.

  I Wouldn't Do It If I Didn't Believe It!

  With regard to inconsistencies between attitudes, it should be noted that no one enjoys this unpleasant state to last long, so when faced with a decision, a choice between two alternatives must be made. After all, one can't possess two diametrically opposed religious views! Interestingly, cognitive dissonance theory predicts that the alternative (once chosen) becomes enhanced (Brehm, 1956; Knox & Inkster, 1968; Younger, Walker, & Arrowood, 1977; Converse & Cooper, 1979). Indeed, accepting one side ("I enjoy studying and what if the Witnesses are right?") without devaluing the other would allow inner turmoil (dissonance) to still prevail.3

  To cite a more familiar example, perhaps the reader has had a decisional conflict involving the advantages and disadvantages of a large purchase. And once the decision is made and the purchase is taken home, you evaluate more positive the purchase you chose and lower your perception of the alternative you discarded. Likewise, the prospective convert, in effect, does the same thing. His questions about the JWs are no longer seen as important or serious.

  I Suffered For It, It Must Be Right!

  Lastly, dissonance theory suggests that we are more likely to positively evaluate our choices that we have come to suffer for (Aronson & Mills, 1959; Gerard & Mathewson, 1966). When the convert has to deal with the negative consequences (profound embarrassment, persecution, friends viewing him as different, shedding worldly ties, etc.) of his decision to become a JW, he may justify himself by reasoning, "I suffered for it, it must be worth it."

  In review, the convert is receiving much praise and enjoying his attentive Witness teacher. He is impressed with the knowledge of Scripture his teacher possesses and the sincerity of the Witnesses in general. But simultaneously he must settle the guilt feelings of knowing he should at least investigate the Watchtower organization in light of the negative feelings he already has and the compounded warnings from friends and relatives. We learned that he must deal with the stress of dissonance by making an either/or choice and following that action. We also learned that he may choose relatively quickly (compared to the gravity of the decision) and may stick with the choice because cognitive dissonance theory predicts his decision, once made, is greatly enhanced. But now we will turn to why the prospective convert does not choose to obtain more information to weigh before he decides to believe the Witnesses.

  If You Can't Beat Them, Join Them!

  When dissonance occurs, the course of action taken is usually the one that offers the least resistance. Indeed, the potential convert can ignore the pleas of his friends and family and isolate himself from all Watchtower opposers, fleeing to his new Witness friends. In reality, many choose to continue studying with the Witnesses because it is the path they have already begun, that they are continually being reinforced to take, and the path with the advantages flashed in front of them each week in their intensive book studies. This is why during the wrestling with dissonance and choosing an alternative, many forfeit the opportunity of investigating counter-cult information. There are a number of tactics the Witnesses use to insure that the newcomer will not search out or listen to the anti-Witness alternative. This leaves the potential convert with the counter-cult alternative as the one easiest to discard, in contrast to the overabundant pro-Witness information and guidance available from the JWs themselves.

  Where Are My Friends at a Time Like This?

  One method the Witnesses use to prevent the prospective convert from investigating the Watchtower organization is to recommend that one only associates with Witnesses. During the book study the initiate's attitude towards outside ("worldly") ties is frowned upon. Hence, if one doesn't make contact with anyone other than a JW, it is highly unlikely that a counter argument will reach the convert's ears, or that warnings from friends will be a problem. Incidently, wouldn't it also make sense that the one willing to give up friendships and acquaintances probably lacks substantial and rewarding involvement with others in the first place?

  Sociologist James A. Beckford revealed evidence of predisposing conditions4 in a study of JWs conducted in Britain (1975). He found the second condition in rank of importance that allows for a positive view of the JWs (before the book study even takes place) was a secular occupation in volving little contact or interaction with the public or co-workers. The initiate would thus be missing important contacts with friends and workers for information and comparison. Another predisposing condition found was social isolation from others outside the family and work place. Truly, this lack of ties facilitates the absence of anti-Witness arguments, ideas, and data during the decisional conflict period. Beckford (p.183) writes: "Lack of enduring ties with social groups outside the family and work place implies that prospective converts have very little social support for their own ideas or for any resistance that they may wish to present to the arguments and blandishments of evangelists [JWs]. Social isolation may also have the direct consequence of heightening the pleasure to be derived from the opportunity of having regular home visits from Publishers [JWs] who appear to be genuinely concerned for one's personal welfare."

  They Are Right, It Must Be Satan!

  A second method the Witnesses use in the decisional conflict stage which eventually blinds the initiate from an investigation, is that the book study material directly discourages examination. "Apostate" literature is anything written which is critical of the Watchtower Society or their teachings. This is clearly demonstrated in the March 15, 1986 Watchtower magazine. Under the heading, "Have No Dealings With Apostates," it reads: . . . For example, what will you do if you receive a letter or some literature, open it, and see right away that it is from an apostate? Will curiosity cause you to read it, just to see what he has to say? You may even reason: `It won't affect me; I'm too strong in the truth. And besides, if we have the truth, we have nothing to fear. The truth will stand the test.' In thinking this way, some have fed their minds upon apostate reasoning and have fallen prey to serious questioning and doubt." (p. 12)

  As a result of this mentality being instilled in the initiate, he often declines seeking any information other than Watchtower publications (whereas the statement just quoted ought to be a cue to the wary reader who recognizes that avoiding information and contact with outsiders is a common trait of cults--Zimbardo, Ebbesen, Malach, 1977; Lifton, 1963). Hence, the potential JW convert becomes isolated to JW publications exclusively.

  Even more incredible is the Watchtower's emphasis on "avoiding independent thinking." Although the prospective convert may not come upon such statements in his initial readings, it will be the thinking patterns his Witness teacher is subtly persuading if not explicitly directing. In the January 15, 1983 Watchtower (p. 27) a whole section of an article is entitled, "Fight Against Independent Thinking." This serious crackdown on free thinking and behavior is enforced today when the Society must deal with JWs who are more than ever questioning and doubting the movement. This ultimate command of loyalty is a necessary last resort to maintain control over the Witnesses' lives.

  Their final and often most persuasive teaching is that Satan will persecute the initiate through friends and family who don't want him to find the truth. The Witnesses imply that persecution and doubt is the very sign that you must have found the right religion, so they warn not to succumb to it and fall prey to false teachings. This may be their most effective tool in terms of getting the convert to believe that he shouldn't investigate or question the Watchtower Society.

  How Can You Find It If You Don't Look?

  A third condition limiting an examination of the Watchtower cult during the decisional conflict stage is the very lack of information available to investigate. There is a lot of literature, books, tapes, and tracts exposing the teachings and history of the JWs, but it is often not as easy to find it at the exact time the initiate needs it. Even the libraries sometime lack any books on JWs. And if the prospective convert seeks clergy help (as is not often the case), he may be disillusioned that even they don't have an answer to every doctrine and issue in life like the Witnesses pretend to have. Hence, when the inner turmoil (dissonance) becomes overbearing, the case against the JWs is often waning at the very time the intense book study catered to his home is persisting. No wonder the path of least resistance is often to continue studying with the Witnesses!

  You Made Your Decision, Now You Are Stuck With It!

  Much can be gained from the behavioral sciences as to how to most effectively deter one from joining the Watchtower cult. The importance of acting fast in providing objective counter-cult materials during the informational weighing, decisional conflict period cannot be overstated. Personal contact as well as material intervention is most important. As was pointed out, a decision must be made by the initiate to avoid dissonance. Once formed, it quickly becomes elevated and highly resistant to change.

  What happens if later (after the initiate has fully become a Witness) he is presented with countercult materials or arguments? Most likely the Witness will be motivated to blindly disregard them, for to honestly consider them would bring back an occurrence of that extremely unpleasant feeling of dissonance--the guilt of not making a fully-informed decision. After his personal investment and suffering and hours of acting like a Witness, it becomes increasingly difficult to reason that he was wrong as the months go on. He may be tempted to reason: "I'm afraid to look, what if I find out I am wrong?" In fact, dissonance theory predicts that when a JW finds a true discrepancy in his belief system, rather than facing the truth, he may blatantly ignore it by suppressing or at most redefining his beliefs. Although he has the choice of abandoning his faith, this would be too much of a strain to contemplate. This can be illustrated with regard to failed Watchtower prophecy.

  Bryan Wilson (1978) utilized Leo Festinger's cognitive dissonance theory to examine the failed 1975 prophecy. The JWs expected the end of the world to occur in 1975. Instead of abandonment of belief after the long awaited date passed, reinterpretation was necessary. The point is that despite the obvious failed prophecy, annual growth did actually continue in 1976 in all of the principal countries but six. Whether growth was caused by all new members or the addition of some new members on top of existing JW adherents is yet to be known. But there was renewed growth. The Witnesses could only redefine and rededicate themselves to the cause they gave their lives to. Wilson writes: "Reinterpretation does not demand that mistakes or disappointments should be denied: indeed, error can be frankly admitted and disappointment acknowledged as part of the reaffirmation of faith. The expiation of error, and perhaps fleeting doubt, may indeed demand vigorous rededication to the cause, and, if the sect is at all given to proselytizing, to renewed commitment to field activities." (pp. 183-184) Bryan Wilson is noted among sociologists studying religion. He mentions that similar to the 1975 miscalculation was the 1914 failed end-of-the-world prophecy. Again, reinterpretation was necessary followed by rededication. Very much related to this cognitive dissonance phenomenon is that after a Christian has enabled a JW to see gross flaws in the Watchtower facade, the JW often becomes more adamant about his waning beliefs. It is very common to confront a JW with overwhelming arguments against their organization, only to have the JW come back a week later and say, "I'm glad I talked to you, as it gave me an opportunity to bolster my faith. Now I am more convinced than ever I am right."

  What Do You Call It?

  So, do potential JW converts go through a brainwashing process? It must be realized that brainwashing does not have to be mysterious, involve coercive mind control tactics, nor require drugs or hypnosis. Whether brainwashing techniques are so radical has been questioned by researchers (Schein, Schneier, & Barker, 196l; Szasz, 1976). Indeed, a model of brainwashing based on a traditional social-psychological study of intentional social influence and sociological conditions (as discussed throughout this paper) has been aptly described (Lifton, 1963; Zimbardo, Ebbesen, & Maslach, 1977). What do you call it?

  Footnotes:

  # 1. cognitive dissonance: knowing one is not in harmony with his own beliefs; the perception of disharmony or controversy.

  # 2. attitude-discrepant behavior: unusual behavior resulting from a discrepancy or disharmony in one's attitude towards something.

  # 3. called postdecisional dissonance) because of the obvious unsettled benefits (lingering personal doubts).

  # 4. conditions existing beforehand that affect one's decision.

  References:

  # Aronson, E., & Mills, J. The effect of severity of initiation on liking for a group. Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, 1959, 59, 177-181.

  # Beckford, J. A. The Trumpet of Prophecy. New York: A Halsted Press Book, 1975.

  # Brehm, J. W. Post-decision changes in desirability of alternatives. Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, 1956, 52, 384-389.

  # Byrne, D., & Rhamey, R. Magnitude of positive and negative reinforcement as a determinant of attraction. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 1965, 2, 884-889.

  # Converse, J., Jr., & Cooper, J. The importance of decisions and freechoice attitude change: A curvilinear finding. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 1979, 15, 48-61.

  # Festinger, L. A theory of cognitive dissonance. Evanston, Ill.: Row, Peterson, 1957

  <>LI>Gerard, H. B., & Mathewson, G.C. The effects of severity of initiation on liking for a group: A replication. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 1966, 2, 278-287.

  # Higgins, E.T., Rhodewalt, F., & Zanna, M. P. Dissonance motivation: Its nature, persistence, and reinstatement. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 1979, 15, 16-34.

  # Insko, C. Verbal reinforcement of attitude. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 1965, 2, 261-623

  # Knox, R.E., & Inkster, J.A. Postdecisional dissonance at post time. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 1968, 8, 319-323.

  # Lifton, R.J. Thought reform and the psychology of totalism: A study of brainwashing in China. New York: Norton, 1963.

  # Riess, M., & Schlenker, B.R. Attitude change and responsibility avoidance as modes of dilemma resolution in forced-compliance situations. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 1977, 35, 21-30.

  # Schein, E.H., Schneier, I., & Barker, C. H. Coercive persuasion. New York: Norton, 1961.

  # Szasz, T. Patty Hearst's conversion: Some call it brainwashing. The New Republic, 1976, 174, 10-12.

  # Wicklund, R.A., & Brehm, J.W. Perspectives on cognitive dissonance. Hillsdale, N.J.: Erlbaum, 1976.

  # Wilson, B. When prophecy failed. New Society, 1978, 43, 799, Jan 26, 183-184.

  # Younger, J.C., Walker, L., & Arrowood, A.J. Postdecisional dissonance at the fair. Personality and Social Psychology, 1979, 37, 284-287.

  # Zimbardo, P., Ebbesen, E.B., & Maslach, C. Influencing attitudes and changing behavior (2nd ed.). Reading, Mass.: Addison-Wesley, 1977
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  William Bowen Will Be On My Radio Show Tomorrow

  by middleman in

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  2. child-abuse

  if anyone would like to listen or call in to my show "the razor swift" here are the details..

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  Middleman, so excited to be able to hear this show. I'm sure you've got some planned script to follow but I'm wondering if you might touch on some of the following questions to get Bill's firsthand testimony?

  1.)How is Silentlambs funded and how much interest or support does it gather? How are you able to continue running Silentlambs when funding through donations is sparse?

  2.) How long has Silentlambs been operating as a Not for Profit entity? Has that ever been problematic?

  3.) Silentlambs, being a Not for Profit entity certainly may not always put food on your table. What kind of work do you do to pay for personal necessities of life?

  4.)What services do you provide to those who have been sexually abused and mistreated by Jehovah's Witnesses?

  5.)How many cases have you worked on or provided "expert testimony" for that has resulted in some type of monetary settlement for the victim or judgment in favor of the victim at trial?

  6.)You have done so much to forward information about child sex abuse within the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization. What part did you play in the Candace Conti victory?

  7.)Where are you from originally?

  8.)What type of tax requirements do you have to deal with for this kind of cause, initiative or business?

  9.)How do you follow up with victims once they have reached a settlement in court?

  10.)How are you compensated as an "expert witness’ for the victims when called to make a deposition on their behalf? How often are those depositions utilized before a judge in the courtroom?

  11.)What should someone do if they have been abused and that abuse has been covered up by the Jehovah's Witness Organization?

  12.)What type of education or qualifications do you have to have to be able to carry on this cause while helping victims and being used as an expert witness?

  13.) When a victim relates their story of abuse for the first time on the Silentlambs websight what do you do with that testimony? How do you encourage or instruct those victims of abuse in regards to that disclosure?
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  The Governing Body "Programming Innocent Children" Harmful or Benign?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  of course sparlock as a programing tool needs to be examined.

  children have a very active imagination, what message are they sending to childrens brains(psyche)/computer/quamtum mind/or what ever your choice for intelligence is called.. are these just innocent well meaning old men on the governing body?

  or this an unconsious move of repressed evil from thier psyche's shadow?.

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  I certainly agree with much that has been stated above. My observations however lead me to believe that very FEW Jehovah's Witness youth actually stay in the religion. Perhaps that is unique to where I am located but from my rough estimates I would say only about 5% of the youths I grew up with and the ones I have watched matureactually stick around. Some are adept at fading, others simply jump ship blatantly and openly and still others stay in with token appearances but are "gone" for all intents and purposes. Granted it may take many years and some have become elders, servants and pioneers. Still they are dropping out like pre med students....
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  The Governing Body - their own worst enemy!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been giving some thought recently to what's going on in the minds of the individual governing body members, and what makes them tick.

  the process of listening to their talks for my "getting to know you" youtube video series, though draining, has been very enlightening.

  i now feel i know some of their individual personalities a little better than i did previously.. then there has been the tumultuous events of 2012. it's been interesting to note the way the governing body has responded to some of these issues, and how in most cases their responses have been woefully inadequate or even counter-productive as regards their long-term interests.. for example:.

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  Sabastious,

  I am curious about your perspective. Who cares if others go nuts about it. What are your observations and factual connectors? Is the GB part of some illuminati that preaches separation from the "World" despite being in bed with the world?

  I think Cedars breaks things up into palatable bites for us and thats why the majority give credence to his words.

  Just because everyone has to jump through mental hoops to grasp your stance should not make you shy away from expounding.
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  William Bowen Will Be On My Radio Show Tomorrow

  by middleman in

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  2. child-abuse

  if anyone would like to listen or call in to my show "the razor swift" here are the details..

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