Posts by okage

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Question for you atheists...

by MrFreeze in

or agnostics too.

are you open about your beliefs (or lack thereof i should say)?

when people talk about anything religious, do you mention that you don't believe in god?

@Shawn: You're entitled to disagree. In my experience with people, their beliefs are something they are willing to make and lose friends over. Start and lose a job over. As with Witnesses, devout Catholics, Davidians, Baptists, Jews, etc., people are willing to die and/or kill for those beliefs.

The bible is riddled with account after account of people mudering and slaughtering in the name of their beliefs.

Clearest example: if you're an atheist, and the United States government said you HAD to worship the Abrahamic god or go to jail. This means going at least three days a week to church.

You going to stay quiet? The VERY moment you complain about it, you prove the idea "you're beliefs are your life." Cuz if they aren't why would you complain about someone ordering you to believe something else?

Those robots in the Kingdom Halls, their belief is their life. Doesn't mean it's a good or bad belief. Just means what they believe is their life.

Another example: if you knew there was no heaven or hell, no paradise, would it change the path you take in life? If you couldn't be punished after death for your actions, wouldn't you live a little more?

It's not a bold statement I'm making here. It's just common sense.

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Question for you atheists...

by MrFreeze in

or agnostics too.

are you open about your beliefs (or lack thereof i should say)?

when people talk about anything religious, do you mention that you don't believe in god?

okage

I am agnostic. I do my best to be mindful of the religious beliefs of others, because your beliefs are your life. Every now and then, bible thumpers will make clearly ignorant comments that they hold with solid conviction.

There was a baptist woman at a job I had in 2004, she said, and I quote "I don't like those atheists! They worship the devil!" For those who didn't catch it: she doesn't like atheists, who are called such for not believing in a deity. And this disdain for atheists comes from their apparent worship of a being they deny exists.
I called her stupid outright.

To the contrary of what they say door-to-door, Witnesses I've found, tend to be intolerant of anyone proud of their religious/un-religious beliefs. They will call you ignorant and tell you they know better. And when all else fails, they laugh while telling you God is going to keep you dead.
I call them stupid outright.

Personally, I believe there is a God and it will be found through science. I believe the afterlife is variations of wavelengths in the earth's magnetic field based on positive and negative energy accumulations in life. I believe the soul and spirit are one in the same and are a unique identifying energy created as a by-product of a biological chemical reaction in utero.

But I'm also the guy who came up with those ideas, so what do I really know? lol

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Blogging about Selma and Steve

by Rob Crompton in

i wonder if any of you folk have posted anything on your blogs or websites about this scandalous wt article?.

links, please?.

here's mine:.

okage

@Rob Crompton: Apparently, the most loving, happy people on earth, if you drink enough Kool-Aid...

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Hardcopy Help! Where can I find some?

by okage in

i've got pdf's of certain watchtower publications, but i need the hardcopies to back up my argument.

it's annoying when you show a witness the jw.org website, download the pdf of the watchtower study issue in front of them, and they argue that you have no point because apostates tampered with the file.

mind you, it's on a wt/ccjw server, so i don't fathom how any apostate can tamper with it.

okage

I thought the Society altered the information found on the Library CD?

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Blogging about Selma and Steve

by Rob Crompton in

i wonder if any of you folk have posted anything on your blogs or websites about this scandalous wt article?.

links, please?.

here's mine:.

okage

They seriously teach that Dinah is respondible for getting raped while visiting friends? Kind of shows the God they're working with. "I'll have the schoolgirl get raped for having friends that sin, while her margarita guzzling prostitute friends get off scott-free. So sayeth me, I am the Lord." Kinda makes you want to rape the governing body and see if they keep that stance. I'm still confused by their choice of which laws to keep from the OT and which to disregard as "erased through the new covenant." If a woman is abused by her husband, she has to stay with him and risk murder. But I have yet to see a JW who got his hand cut off for stealing, a rapist JW who was forced to marry his victim, or a DF'd one stoned to death. How are these people still in business?

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Who is your JWN BAMF?

by okage in

i hope this thread goes somewhere, and i hope i put it in an acceptable category:.

the wts has spent around 130 years in underhanded practices and cult control.

we can all name at least two practices banned by the un as inhumane.. because of the control of information they have within their ranks and their often litigious nature outside of the "compound" walls, every bit of information on here is crucial in ensuring no one who visits jwn falls for the gimmicks and traps the society works to employ.. there are personal experiences that are troublesome and touching through the experience of freedom after years of endurement.

okage

LMMFAO @sooner7nc My BAMF is Atlantis. His post yesterday was what made me want to post this thread.

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Hardcopy Help! Where can I find some?

by okage in

i've got pdf's of certain watchtower publications, but i need the hardcopies to back up my argument.

it's annoying when you show a witness the jw.org website, download the pdf of the watchtower study issue in front of them, and they argue that you have no point because apostates tampered with the file.

mind you, it's on a wt/ccjw server, so i don't fathom how any apostate can tamper with it.

okage

I've got PDF's of certain Watchtower Publications, but I need the hardcopies to back up my argument. It's annoying when you show a Witness the jw.org website, download the pdf of the Watchtower study issue in front of them, and they argue that you have no point because Apostates tampered with the file. Mind you, it's on a WT/CCJW Server, so I don't fathom how any apostate can tamper with it. Mind you, the file you download in front of them is the magazine they currently have in their little boy suitcase.

But they still argue it.

I need hardcopy Watchtower Study Issues from Jan 2010 to June 2012 (whenever that's available). I need Bible Stories. And anything else that can be indisputably argued against the Society (unless I'm arguing with a complete moron)(3 out of 4 are morons, yada yada, beat you guys to the joke).

Where can I obtain these? I live in a heavily Witness populated neighborhood in Fort Worth, so the three Kingdom Halls know me as an Apostate, making it hard to get things from them.

Any help is appreciated.

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Oh great now they want to meet with me...help!

by tootired2care in

this fading business is hard!

there really is no come and go freely in this aweful religion (prison) as i'm finding out more and more.

i missed a couple of meetings and now i was asked a couple of days ago if i was a available for a sheparding calltm in a few weeks; i told them i'd get back to them.

okage

Be vague and make sure that if they approach your home, you remember they want to kill you (technically, since a disfellowship means you're dead to them) and call the po po on them for trespassing.

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Who is your JWN BAMF?

by okage in

i hope this thread goes somewhere, and i hope i put it in an acceptable category:.

the wts has spent around 130 years in underhanded practices and cult control.

we can all name at least two practices banned by the un as inhumane.. because of the control of information they have within their ranks and their often litigious nature outside of the "compound" walls, every bit of information on here is crucial in ensuring no one who visits jwn falls for the gimmicks and traps the society works to employ.. there are personal experiences that are troublesome and touching through the experience of freedom after years of endurement.

okage

I hope this thread goes somewhere, and I hope I put it in an acceptable category:

The WTS has spent around 130 years in underhanded practices and cult control. We can all name at least two practices banned by the UN as inhumane.

Because of the control of information they have within their ranks and their often litigious nature outside of the "compound" walls, every bit of information on here is crucial in ensuring no one who visits JWN falls for the gimmicks and traps the Society works to employ.

There are personal experiences that are troublesome and touching through the experience of freedom after years of endurement. There are mind-blowing perspectives on Watchtower literature and doctrine that, even after years of knowing what you know since you left or "opened your eyes," you read a thread and say "oh my Jeebus, I never saw that before."

Some of the JWN Nation are casual posters who post only so often but when they do, it's a landmark post. Some are posters who open eyes in almost every post they make. JWN is full of people who work hard to combat the Society's efforts and that is monumental today. Governments, powerful governments, have tried but none have the individual or collective experience JWN has with Don Adams and the Watchtower Corporation.

Who is it on here that has moved you most? Who is your BAMF (Bad A$$ Mo Fo) that posts and makes you say "wow!" more than any other?

And why? It can be anyone, including yourself, but what makes that person your BAMF?

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New US Government Petition re: Cults and Tax Exemptions

by mind blown in

this is on the official us government site.. note: someone was under the impression this was unconstitutional and it wouldn't pass, however, steven unthank replyed that tax exempt status (re: usc title 26 501 tax exemptions requirements) is not a constitutional right and can indeed be regulated by the us government through the irs.

freedom of religion does no mean freedom from tax.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/protect-americans-dangerous-cults-modify-usc-title-26--501-tax-exemptions-requirements/zhpbvhfx.

okage

I say "tax 'em all, let God sort 'em out." There does not need to be any effort of discrimination based on religion. Remove tax exempt status on ALL churches because in modern times, the ratio of "people who use religion for tax-exempt status to net larger profits" compared to "people who just want to worship and happen to fall into exempt status" must be overwhelmingly staggering. See, for cults, they use "conformity/uniformity at all costs" to force their membership into obedience, not because God says so (he never does), but because all members recognized in the congregation must share the same EXACT views and beliefs of the doctrine of leadership. Otherwise, the cult loses exempt status. In the states, the closest legal definition of religion is "anything that fills the area normally occupied by God." Or something to that wording. It is loosely used because the U.S. refuses to identify religion under grounds of unconstitutional discrimination. However, any business can simply state that the company's mission statement fills the void of godly worship and attempt tax exempt status. This is combatted by the need for a tried doctrine and the worship of that God and doctrine by all acknowledged followers. This is why those who are shunned or disfellowshipped are eventually disregarded as having ever been one of the congregation. Legally, it would mean the cult is using exempt status to provide for members who do not worship the same deity (or the understanding of that deity). How are Davidians their own religion if they are trying to claim Catholics make up their numbers? This becomes a fine line and any religion can abuse it. Tax every church as a business, and like with every business, this tax applies accordingly to the legally identifiable membership. It cannot bankrupt a small church.