Posts by JWOP

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New Site JW Outreach

by Bangalore in

jw
friends

here is a new site named jw outreach launched by an xjw from another board.. .

http://www.witness-outreach.com/.

bangalore.

JWOP

Black Sheep:

I think YOU are missing the point.

AGAIN: Stating that a conclusion is reasonable based on past experience is NOT the same a claiming it as fact.

Let me try again:

The old saying "red sky at night, sailor's delight" comes from the experience that a red sunset almost always means that the next day will be nice weather; and this has been proven to be true . Ergo, when a person sees a red sunset, it is reasonable to conclude that the next day will be nice. It doesn't make it fact, it just makes a logical thought based on past experience.

ERGO....

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FDS Obedience Vs. JW Marriage

by allyouneedislove in

is the obedience the fds expects from jws the same obedience that jw wives owe their jw husbands?.

if yes, would this mean that a jw wife should submit to any medical direction that came from her husband, even if the consequences were serious?

would this mean that it would be right for a jw husband to tell his wife if blood fractions, organ transplant, etc.

JWOP

Well, the WT seems to be all supportive of husbandly headship UNLESS..... that headship butts up against WT teaching. For example, the Bible states that the men are responsible for the spiritual upbringing of their children (Ephesians 6:4), and for the mose part the WT supports this....

....unless the man happens to be disfellowshipped, in which case he is then stripped of this responsibility:

"For example, if the husband is disfellowshipped, his wife and children will not be comfortable with him conducting a family Bible study or leading in Bible reading or prayer. If he wants to say a prayer, such as at mealtime, he has the right to do so in his own home. But they can silently offer their own prayers to God. [at this point they use Scripture try to prove this is righteous! Sickening!] What if a disfellowshipped person in the home wants to be present when the family reads the Bible together or has a Bible study? The others might let him be present to listen if he will not try to teach them or share his religious ideas". (Our Kingdom Ministry, August 2002, pp. 3-4, para.7, article titled "Display Christian Loyalty").

And yet they claim they teach the Bible and not their own doctrine? Really?

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New Site JW Outreach

by Bangalore in

jw
friends

here is a new site named jw outreach launched by an xjw from another board.. .

http://www.witness-outreach.com/.

bangalore.

JWOP

....oh, and as for the WT saying "no" once, remember, they always change their "yes" into "no" back to "yes", etc.... I suppose this will help solidify that point.

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New Site JW Outreach

by Bangalore in

jw
friends

here is a new site named jw outreach launched by an xjw from another board.. .

http://www.witness-outreach.com/.

bangalore.

JWOP

Black sheep:

The "Numerous individuals" are all of those who created all those other websites and videos which we link to and refer to throughout the site -- and we have no direct connection to the vast majority of those people except that we link to them. We don't want to be "stepping on" others' work, so we are trying to recognized the long hours and efforts that they have also put in to the telling of the facts about the Jehovah's Witnesses. No single site can cover everything about JW's, else it would be too overwhelming, so it 's nice that so many others have already posted content that can be linked to. And they should be recognized for it.

As for the "Noah preaching": It is reasonable to believe that a God who would give the warnings mentioned before that blurb would also provide a warning through Noah because it fits the pattern. To illustrate: If you are known to be a good and honest worker as your employment, and suddenly a bunch of money goes missing, it is reasonable for the employer to believe you weren't the thief because it fits the pattern, even though it isn't an established fact. It is foolish to automatically assume that a reasonable conclusion = solid fact. You're building a shaky argument with that.

As for the Australian Aboriginal firestick farming: The site is not for all things scientific, archaelogical, and whatnot; it's for simply showing the truth regarding Jehovah's Witness doctine, and how well it does -- or does not -- stand up to scrutiny. We try not to get on to too many off-topics stuff (though it can't be avoided sometimes).

It you don't like the site, then simply don't visit. We certainly don't expect everyone to agree with it, and that's each individual's perogative.

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Should Barbara Anderson Write a Book?

by Scott77 in

if yes, would you buy it?

what would be the suggested topic for the book?

any idea are welcome.. .

JWOP

Secrets of Pedophilia In an American Religion

It is in PDF format. If you don't have a pdf reader on your computer, you can download one here.

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Blood transfusion DF/DA

by allyouneedislove in

i was reading the following page:.

http://ajwrb.org/currentwtpolicy/callingsociety.htm.

can a jw still be df or da for taking a blood transfusion, if they are not "repentant"?.

JWOP

I think it's interesting that in the "Pay Attention" book, blood tranfusion was a disfellowshipping offense, in the new "Shepherd the Flock" book it is viewed as a disassociation, and in Bulgaria it is totally okay to do (at least, on paper).

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A missing husband or wife.

by thomyorke in

do you remember, in which "reader's question" was an article about cases, when a husband officially declared as a missing?.

(probably he is dead or captured by somali pirates...).

i remember, that article was very strange- there was stated that it would be possible to make a divorce.... but if such missed person will "ressurect", this couple must get married again!.

JWOP

So, if my husband went missing, and after seven years I remarried, and then my missing hubby showed up.... I'd have to annul my current marriage?

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2011 Yearbook= BEARDS are still for non-Witnesses ONLY!!!! Beard Fear?

by Witness 007 in

1960's the watchtower pictures showed jesus clean shaven and with short hair {watch 1954 p.511 "why do watchtower books now show jesus with short hair and no beard?

....because he is shown that way in representations that are older than the traditional effeminate looking pictures..."}.

yearbook 2011 p.57 "a bearded man named eric showed up at a congregation in the united states {oh god a bearded man!!!

JWOP

NVR2L8, that's just plain sad.

They worry about people seeing them as a "cult", but then they put on ridiculous rules to make everyone look like mindless drones... sigh.

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New Site JW Outreach

by Bangalore in

jw
friends

here is a new site named jw outreach launched by an xjw from another board.. .

http://www.witness-outreach.com/.

bangalore.

JWOP

"...before getting involved with groups with names like 'Outreach', especially when these groups word their window dressing very carefully to disguise their true nature."

"Keep away from religious websites until you sort yourself out."

"I can guarantee you that somewhere there is a Christian outreach group trying to "help" your former members to see the error of their ways."

"Cult jumping, ojoy!"

Wow. Interesting comments.

Did you guys even look at the site? It should be obvious that we aren't out to have a "group" or any kind of followers. There's not even a JWOP discussion forum for people to "gather" at. And I'm not sure how we are perceived as disguising our "true nature", we're very upfront about what the site is for. Tell me, what is the whole disguise? No tricks, just plain and simple facts. Much like the jwfacts.com site, only different. And we make this very clear on the home page.

Keep away from religious websites until you sort yourself out? The whole point of the site is to help them sort out the facts from the lies. It does not promote the JWs, and it does not demonize them. It simply lays out the facts, both the good and the bad, for the readers to decide for themselves. In just our experience, many who are investigating JW doctrine spend a lot of time looking at JW based websites to find information. Ergo, the JWOP site is basically a hub to centralize the JW info on the Internet that exists from others' sources. This is why we link to their sites, books, and forums (including this one). It isn't just our "stuff", it's a central point to access everyone's information, saving them a lot of search time.

And I can't imagine a Christian group trying to help our "former members" because there are no members to help. This isn't a club to join, it's just information to consider when one is thinking of joining OR leaving the denomination.

Cult jumping? First, there needs to be a leader, second there needs to be followers. Since nobody is leading, there can be nobody following.

If you have truly read the home page and the "About" page, you would see these things for yourselves.

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2011 Yearbook= BEARDS are still for non-Witnesses ONLY!!!! Beard Fear?

by Witness 007 in

1960's the watchtower pictures showed jesus clean shaven and with short hair {watch 1954 p.511 "why do watchtower books now show jesus with short hair and no beard?

....because he is shown that way in representations that are older than the traditional effeminate looking pictures..."}.

yearbook 2011 p.57 "a bearded man named eric showed up at a congregation in the united states {oh god a bearded man!!!

JWOP

It's so interesting:

Christ, who they claim to be the leader of the Congregation, had a beard.
Charles Russell, who they claim to have founded the Bible Students/JWs, also had a prominent beard.

So....why exactly can't any other man have a beard???