one of my strangest memories of going to the kh was when a young- maybe 18-20, pimply young man got up to talk about jhvhs view of masturbation during a service meeting.. of course, it was impossible to think about him not masturbating.
i was just hitting puberty and found the whole thing very uncomfortable- i think my dad was even critiquing him (what is that called when elder gives the feedback).
looking back now i can see that to publicly condemn masturbation, especially when a young man is delivering this admonition, is- well- hilarious.
Why wouldn't an elder, MS or pioneer do the talk in the hall I was in?
Oh, yes. It was a sign language congregation.
So it was dumped on me.
It was the most research I had ever done for a talk. Really, in depth. I practised the sign language over and over again.
does anyone know who wrote the may 22, 1969 awake!
article, "what future for the young?"?.
i wonder if they still are at bethel.. .
Wow!
This explains why the CD-ROM goes back to 1970 for the Awake but right back to 1950 for the WatchTower. No JW could ever explain that to me.
...and they're clearly in the mood for pushing it on youtube.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lerx3gkthxk.
what is it with all these random youtube channels, each showing polished and highly-produced videos.
No other magazine comes close? Thank God for that...
i couldn't help but think... what if we all start requesting free bible studies?
except, of course, send them on wild goose chases?
send them on bogus trips around the territory?.
I couldn't complete my address.
The Vatican is not listed under the countries selection box so The Pope won't be getting a visit .
the revelation books clearly shows that the date 606b.c.e was believed to be the destruction of jerusalem in the original jw doctrine.. when it was discovered that there was no year zero, this was changed to 607b.c.e.
without question.. on page 105 the revelation book quotes:.
providentially, those bible students had not realized that there is no zero year between "b.c.
The Revelation books clearly shows that the date 606B.C.E was believed to be the destruction of Jerusalem in the original JW doctrine.
When it was discovered that there was no year zero, this was changed to 607B.C.E. without question.
On page 105 the Revelation Book quotes:
Providentially, those Bible Students had not realized that there is no zero year between "B.C." and "A.D." Later, when research made it necessary to adjust B.C. 606 to 607 B.C.E., the zero year was also eliminated, so that the prediction held good at "A.D. 1914."
There was research that shows that the date was changed by one year. But no quotations from historians, no historical evidence provided. Just a statement.
So what was the evidence did they provide? Did they ever provide any?
sugested lead article title:.
f*@k we were wrong!
now is the hour to go to sleep.
"Millions Now Living Will Die"
the watchtower book revelation - its great climax is at hand!
(1988) quotes the old barbour booklet on page 105:.
606, that god's kingdom ended, the diadem was removed, and all the earth given up to the gentiles.
When studying the Revelation book (I was a child), I noted that the date was changed from 606 to 607 with no real explanation of why, other than the year zero was "mistakenly" included.
I asked my father about it and he stated that "it just so happened" that they realised their mathematical error and historical error at the same time, so the date didn't need to be changed.
I knew something wasn't adding up in this religion though I couldn't be specific - I was probably less than 10 years old. This was the first piece of evidence I had where it really did seem they were making it all up as they went along.
just noticed on another thread that a letter was sent out telling elders to keep their mouths shut after the wt lost the case?.
anybody got this???.
hb.
I am sure relevant elders will have letters. If they speak to reporters, for example, it could ruin their appeal.
There is probably no point sending letters to all elders since they don't know the facts of the case other than what a reporter could find out themselves.
i am just curious about this because although i agree with many of the posters here that the wt society is guilty of many horrible deeds, i still believe they are right when it comes to doctrinal things as i mention.
especially hellfire.
i just don't see how anybody that has studied the bible for many years like many of the ex-jws here can make an about face and go back to believing hellfire.
God wouldn't be so cruel as to make hellfire.
Except, I've read the old testiment. He was cruel many times in there, so why not again?
full disclosure:.
i am an active (2-4 hrs/month) 3rd generation jw hovering under the radar.
been posting here for 10 years.
Simple. Change the "two witness" rule to allow a court case to act as a "second witness".
Then, report the offense to the police. If the person is found guilty in court, they can be disfellowshipped and be dealt with by the authorities.
It removes responsibility to solve/stop any crimes by elders and allows authorities to act immediately. The person can be removed as a JW if found guilty. Plus, any spokesman can say "We reported this to the police" and "we have now removed this person as being a JW" which will look good to the public and JWs.
