having just finished reading the gtr (4th edition), i've compiled my notes and observations and am composing a comprehensive review/analysis of many sections.
so my question: would anyone be interested in reading and/or participating in a discussion about a number of jonnson's viewpoint?
be assured, it will be of substantial merit and not the typical superficial and remiss arguments you perhaps expect from someone who is a jw.. .
If you think people are trolling you, just don't reply to them. Instead of responding, carry on with the thread topic. At this rate you'll be needing to email the mods again to increase your post limit.
Third time: I haven't read the book, so, per your opening post, please fill in us in on your notes and observations.
having just finished reading the gtr (4th edition), i've compiled my notes and observations and am composing a comprehensive review/analysis of many sections.
so my question: would anyone be interested in reading and/or participating in a discussion about a number of jonnson's viewpoint?
be assured, it will be of substantial merit and not the typical superficial and remiss arguments you perhaps expect from someone who is a jw.. .
Hey Recovery/StillRecovery/OlinMoyle/Ethos/FaceTheFacts,
Within a few posts you have revealed yourself. The name changes, but the modus operandi remains constant.
Let's get the thread back on topic. History tells us that your previous incarnations have difficulty with that. As I said earlier, I haven't read the book, so please enlighten us with your 'notes, observations, and comprehensive review' of The Gentile Times Reconsidered. We are already on page two of the thread and I see nary a mention of the subject of your opening post.
having just finished reading the gtr (4th edition), i've compiled my notes and observations and am composing a comprehensive review/analysis of many sections.
so my question: would anyone be interested in reading and/or participating in a discussion about a number of jonnson's viewpoint?
be assured, it will be of substantial merit and not the typical superficial and remiss arguments you perhaps expect from someone who is a jw.. .
WMF I tend to agree. As I mentioned in FTFs intro thread, my radar is activated. The syntax and modus operandi have my spidey senses tingling.
He'll no doubt swing in with ad hominem 'I start a thread and all you do is attack me' presently.
FTF I haven't read the book, have been trying to obtain a copy. Please enlighten us with your thoughts and comments. I'd love to learn more.
not really good at introductions.
i am an active jw who has my doubts about certain things like the bible as a whole but im slowly but surely wading through them.
just of curiousity: what on earth has happened to this board?
Welcome FaceTheFacts,
There are lots of different people from many and varied backgrounds on here. All contribute in some way to the ongoing success of this forum.
Before starting a bunch of threads that you will struggle to keep up with (I see you have started 4 already), why don't you tell us a bit about yourself? We'd love to get to know you.
Recovery/StillRecovery/OlinMoyle/Ethos radar mode activated.
I have PostSecret in my rss feeds, and saw that in amongst yesterday's Sunday Secrets. It made my skin crawl.
I've often thought about setting up a site called JW Secrets where JWs could anonymously post their feelings in a similar format. It's on the to-do list....
we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.
fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.
i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.
Hello SkyGreen and Ziddina!
Thanks so much for taking the time to read through and make a post. Please keep in contact and feel free to engage anytime! My goal in starting my diary was to share life from 'the inside' and what it is like on the way out. I hope that in some small way it might help others.
You are right SkyGreen, going to the elders is a two edged sword. People who do so are likely to get smashed, but as a result it might be the jolt they need to wake up.
Hang in there team, we're all in this together :-)
By the way, after months of searching a million second hand bookstores, we finally found a copy of In Search of Christian Freedom. SCORE! Even better, it was a Salvation Army shop.....
Once I finish The Kingdom that Never Came, I'll rip into ISOCF. Some good holiday beach reading there baby!
hi guys,.
i was asked to give final prayer today after the field service meeting.
i asked for jah to bless and comfort the families of the newtown, ct massacre.
The brother giving the closing prayers at our Sunday meeting on the weekend asked for Jehovah to look after 'our brothers in Fiji and Samoa who have been affected by the recent cyclones' My first thought was 'What about all the other people on the islands?'
I have heard other people say in response to disasters where lots of people have died 'Well at least they'll get a resurrection now. Its probably better that way as they would have been destroyed at Armageddon.'
Ah, the Christian spirit of love and compassion. Its alive and well, and nowhere near a Kingdom Hall.
we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.
fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.
i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.
Hey Pams Girl, of course I remember you! Thanks for checking in. I was gutted to have to request to have my original diary deleted. We seriously thought we had been outed and even though there was nothing incriminating in there, it seemed the safest thing to do just in case. Thankfully it was a false alarm, so here we are again!
Mrs Smith does indeed have an anxiety disorder. It is not at a level where she is crippled by it, but every now and then, I'll notice the signs that she is angsty justvanswer all her questions and reason things out. Sometimes we'll head out somewhere and I'll jump in the car. A few minutes later she will finally come to the car and I'll say "So was the gas off and all the windows shut?" and she will sheepishly say yes, and we'll have a good laugh about it. My girl's cool :-)
Still waiting to hear back from my sister. Her friend is still staying with them but is leaving soon so hopefully we'll hear something soon. You're right, its SO hard not to go all guns and lay it out. She's a smart lady, and I am sure that with some gentle prodding she might just wake up. All we can do is quietly hope and be there for her.
We are looking forward to moving. It won't be super far from where we are as we have some non-JW martes around here that we want to keep in touch with. I'd love to move to the city, but that might be a bit much for Mrs Smith for the moment. All in good time!
How are things with you mate? All well I hope. What are your plans for the holidays? Are you going to hang with your pagan friend and having pagan celebrations? We might just be having our own little private pagan celebration at the Smith residence...
Great to hear from you, take care :-)
Hey CoC! Glad to hear you enjoyed reading through. I don't know exactly what it is, but there is something deep down that must strike a chord with those who wake up. Two years ago I never would have thought that I would where I am now with regards to being 'awake' about the truth. I sometimes think that most JWs must think there is something wrong, but have too much invested to do anything about so just go with the flow oblivious to the long term harm they are inviting.
Its great to be awake!
we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.
fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.
i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.
Both my sister, and our friend Sister T have recently had really bad experiences with the elders. Experiences where they went for help, seeking shelter from the wind etc, and in return got smashed. My sister and her husband have had issues for a while, and the elders response was to say "Well you can't be doing everything we told you to do because if you were you wouldn't still be having problems." Then proceeded to threaten them with losing their pioneer and MS status. Our friend Sister T asked an elder to keep an eye on her and remember her in his prayers because she got drunk ONCE, and a few days later was called into a judicial committee.
It seems from the reports here on JWN from the KM schools that the powers that be are clamping down on everything and legalism is taking front and centre. The results are seen in the harsh treatment being meted out to those who err or even seek help. I think that this attitude will push more people out than any new light or TTATT. Maybe the WTS has figured this out and, like a true bully / abusive partner is flipping the blame onto the innocent party. Taking advantage of their captive and fear filled minds. Guilt, guilt, guilt. The article Listener mentioned above and the one just the other weekend about how we react to counsel from the elders all put the blame on the the publisher involved. We are told that we should be forgiving of the elders and remember they are only human and make mistakes, yet this same attitude is not extended to the publishers. To those who are honest hearted, this attitude will scratch against the blackboard of their sense of justice and may be just what they ned to help them wake up.
I think the WTS is finding itself in the difficult position of wanting to distance itself from individual elders for liability reasons, yet at the same time control everything they do and say.
we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.
fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.
i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.
That's cool Karter, thanks for sharing!
Some of our childhood books have some real gems in them. Can't say the same for some other childhood books like Learn From the Great Teacher and My Book of Bible Stories though.....
