i have my doubts that they have.my understanding is that only a select few such as elders have got wwcc after years of non compliance.i dont think the rank and file , the majority of jehovahs witnesses going from door to door have obtained one , and if that is indeed the case , then they are still breaking the law.
i would appreciate it if their is anyone in victoria who still attends meetings or knows anybody who does to either confirm or deny my claim.. last year on regional radio abc gippsland talkback radio host celine foenander dealt with the subject who has to obtain "working with children checks" and many callers responded.one in particular stood out to me ,a self employed carpet cleaner had to obtain one before he could continue in his business simply because their could be children at home when he called.their were many similar stories like that.i phoned up and explained to the switch girl about jw`s non compliance.they were very interested in what i had to say but sadly ran out of time and it didn`t go to air.. i`m sure that if the government knew that every baptized jehovah`s witness was considered a minister of religion ,and are required to go door to door to spread their message , then every adult would be required to obtain a wwc check.. i look forward to your comments.
smiddy.
Hello Smiddy,
I wonder if they are cagey because one of the angles being taken in the legal cases is that the state governement has been slack in ensuring compliance? They might think you're fishing for a statement that might come back to bite them later.
Could it also be a classic case of bored and uninterested government departments relying on a lazy catch-all copy and paste type reply?
we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.
fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.
i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.
Simple Truths - Part One
Galatians 2:21 -
"I do not shove aside the undeserved kindnes of God; for if righteousness is through law, Christ actually died for nothing."
Jesus didn't give his followers lots of laws, and did away with the Mosaic Law. Christian life should be based on love and not hundreds of rules.
The WTS has proven through it's history that it does not align with what Jesus taught via his word and example. Jesus taught that love should be the motivating factor in all we do, and will lead to our salvation. The WTS teaches that compliance with their myriad of ever-changing rules is what leads to salvation.
2 Corinthians 3:6 - "....the written code condemns to death, but the spirit makes alive"
yep.
you read the title correctly.. my daughter is a prosecutor who right this moment is prosecuting a dui crash with major injuries.
the defendant--the drunk driver--just tried to place an awake magazine with her while both of them were in the courtroom.. .
Is Andre in court again?
i have my doubts that they have.my understanding is that only a select few such as elders have got wwcc after years of non compliance.i dont think the rank and file , the majority of jehovahs witnesses going from door to door have obtained one , and if that is indeed the case , then they are still breaking the law.
i would appreciate it if their is anyone in victoria who still attends meetings or knows anybody who does to either confirm or deny my claim.. last year on regional radio abc gippsland talkback radio host celine foenander dealt with the subject who has to obtain "working with children checks" and many callers responded.one in particular stood out to me ,a self employed carpet cleaner had to obtain one before he could continue in his business simply because their could be children at home when he called.their were many similar stories like that.i phoned up and explained to the switch girl about jw`s non compliance.they were very interested in what i had to say but sadly ran out of time and it didn`t go to air.. i`m sure that if the government knew that every baptized jehovah`s witness was considered a minister of religion ,and are required to go door to door to spread their message , then every adult would be required to obtain a wwc check.. i look forward to your comments.
smiddy.
Hi Smiddy,
I asked a mate Melbourne what was up with the Working With Children card. He said that a letter was read out some time ago (maybe about a year) and all elders and MSs had to get a check / card. He couldn't remember but thought it strongly recommended that pioneers get one too, and for everyone else it was voluntary. Either in that letter or around the same time in another one it was made clear that people were engaged in a volunteer personal ministry and were not in anyway representatives of the WTS when doing the work.
Sounds to me like they got the wind up them, perhaps as a result of Unthank's case (I think the timing lines up), and the upper echelon were directed to get them. Saying that they don't represent the WTS could be for liability reasons.
My mate also mentioned that around the same time the sign at the front of the hall was changed so that Ministry School was removed. Now it just has 'Meeting Times' rather than the names of the meetings. He thought it might have something to do with distancing themselves from being an actual school and coming under scrutiny.
here's a few guesses.... the brooklyn waterfront is a convenient place for the society to make their videosgrowing up as a jw when your friends have cellphones and you don't is "kind of rough" and a "kind of sad story"suddenly it's ok for jw youths to "go out" with worldly friends?
?you should listen to what your "peers" say, so long as they're jws on a society video.
anything else is peer pressure.playing by yourself with a frisbee is the preferred sport for young people (no teams or competition involved)young jws don't have a clue how to communicate with the opposite sex via text messages"it's really up to you how you choose to communicate with this wonderful tool that you have"... even though it clearly isn't.the society's video-making department are already running out of ideashttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se_iuspg_14.
They just notched the weird up to a whole new level.
we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.
fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.
i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.
Wow Listener, Hong Kong!
Mrs Smith and I would love to explore Asia, and HK is pretty high on the list. We'll get there one day!
I think this new idea of setting up a stand and holding up mags or signs is just pathetic. I have seen some in our city and they just look like any other religion with their little card table set up, waving their wares, and smiling desperately at passers by. We have the Muslims, the Scientologists, and some Hillsong looking people doing the same thing. It's probably an easy way to get time in, but leaves them wide open to be approached by weirdos. The only thing worse I could think of would be marching through the street wearing sandwich boards.
Shudder.
we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.
fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.
i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.
Hey there, how's it going?
How was your day? Got any cool plans for the week?
recently we had the 'privilege' of attending our local special assembly day.
the theme for this year was safeguard your conscience, and you guessed it, they looked up every reference to the word 'conscience' in the bible and then wrote a talk about each one.
it was most definitely a case of "pack your bags, we're going on a guilt trip.".
Hello everyone,
Great to see a good discussion going on. It was tough to sit through as the BS, cult speak and outright lies are clearly obvious when you have awakened. as we drove away at the end of the day, Mrs Smith and I both said that this may well be our last S.A.D.
It is sad to see the real live proof with our own eyes the controlling talk, the paranoia inducing speech and shameful twisting of the scriptures. I pity those who are still aslumber and hope that maybe one day they can wake. Maybe someone lurking will read the notes along with everyone's comments and give them the confidence that their doubts are well founded.
Some comments in the talks that really struck me were:
- "We need assistance to train our conscience. We would not trust men to do this, Jeremiah 10:23. We would not listen to self help guides. They always change. What is 'in' one day is 'out' the next. How can you trust these ones when they change their mind so easily?" The WTS has been doing exactly this for more than 100 years!
- "If you saw a car crash happen in front of you and kept driving because you didn't want to be late for a sports game, and later learned that people died in that crash, could you be free from bloodguilt? No. If you don't want to get put out by having to help in order to do your personal things it is shameful and you would be bloodguilty. - We commend those who sacrifice their Saturday mornings to out in the ministry. You may have to put personal things on hold, in order to do this life saving work, but by doing so, we free ourselves of bloodguilt." Equating not helping at a car crash with missing a morning's witnessing? Streeeeeeeeetch.
- "This brings us to the matter of counting time in the ministry. Have you noticed how everyone seems to have a different way of counting it? When someone asks us how we count our time, do we tell people, or do we direct them to the Organised book on page 87 where it advises on this subject. Each month, does the Governing Body get the elders to check up on how you counted your time? No, they have put the guideline in the book, and leave it up to our conscience." I note that they fail to mention that the whole reporting of time thing is unscriptural to begin with!
- "Principles come into play when there is something that can't be enforced by the elders. We have to be our own spiritual policemen." So stated in another way, laws can be enforced by the elders, and they would be acting as spiritual policemen when they do. Doesn't sound much like loving shepherding. Jesus would be proud, NOT.
- "How do we measure our success? By hours? RVs? Studies? No it is by our faithfulnes to this work." We may not measure ourselves this way, but the elders definitely do. This first question asked when the elders are considering a brother for advancement is "What are his field service hours like?"
- "We demonstrate our desire to help Christ's brothers. Our work in the ministry will determine if we get that invitation from Jesus." LIE. Show me a scripture that backs up that statement.
- "Without the help of the FDS class we would never understand what the holy spirit is telling us." Whaaaat? According to the recent new light, the FDS has only been in existence since 1919. So does that mean that since Charles Russell was not part of the FDS this religion is based on his misunderstandings?
Please use these notes, and peoples comments, to continue fine tuning your BS meter.
greetings to all jwn members and lurkers,.
i would like to extend all a warm-hearted invitation for our upcoming memorial this march 26th 2013, we will be having the lord's supper at sundown in a jehovah's witness kingdom hall near you.as you can see in this invitation, jesus died for all and that includes abraham, tyndale, pastor russell and many others.
maybe you can identify the remaining key people on the top left side of jesus.we will have a wonderful talk about how jesus gave his life for all humankind thus opening the doors for everlasting life.you can all go to our official website www.jw.org and find the nearest kh where you live, under the tab about us and then go to meetings.you and your family are all invited and it is free.
I pilfered one of these on the weekend. Any idea why Tyndale is included?
recently we had the 'privilege' of attending our local special assembly day.
the theme for this year was safeguard your conscience, and you guessed it, they looked up every reference to the word 'conscience' in the bible and then wrote a talk about each one.
it was most definitely a case of "pack your bags, we're going on a guilt trip.".
Bobcat: No worries mate! Hopefully posting the notes will help confirm for some what a steaming pile of cult talk it all is, or for those who may have missed the Day as part of their fade, they can use them to talk about it like they were there.
Phizzy: When the speaker made that comment about Jeremiah 10:23, Mrs Smith and I just looked at each other and then burst into giggles like a couple of 6 year old girls. I can't believe that they can put stuff like that into an outline and not go "Do you reckon we'll get away with mocking people off for doing exactly what we have done for the last 100 years?" It is truly laughable how ignorant they are of their own history and reputation.
What the JWs have is not a bible trained conscience, they have a GB trained compliance device.
Zeb: I wish we could have skimmed over the whole day!
2+2=5: The overarching theme of the day was "You should follow your bible trained conscience, and here is what your conscience should tell you...."
Conscience is created through your years of experience, your background, your upbringing, and your environment. Getting told what your conscience should do is called brainwashing.
