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  Don't the monitors ever doubt...

  by meat pie in

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  thinking about d8ta's excellent post reminded me of something my husband said the other day,'don't these wt monitors ever doubt the wt after reading all this stuff?

  ' surely there are some who, after reading pages and pages of info that cannot be written off as 'evilpostatestuff'their consciences must trouble them .

  or do they really think the org will save them at armageddon, not god or jesus?

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  Excellent question. I believe it is possible that they are not bothered by it, in the following way.

  As the saying goes, "The best offence is a good defence" and I think this applies here. If "bad news" is given to a few devout bethelites by their highly respected senior Bethilite Overseers, as prep for their work as "monitors" then they can be fed them information (with suitable "spin") in a fashion that causes them to accept it as non-damning.

  This is the way most cults deliver information, in a graduated method. Think about it: when JWs go door-knocking, they don't say "If you join us you won't get to enjoy most of the family celebrations you have now (Xmas, birthdays, etc.). If they said that right up front, they would win even fewer converts than they get now.

  Rather, they feed them the "happy paradise" nonsense and get them hooked. Only after they have established a level of authrity over the study is it safe to slowly reveal the nastier stuff, with all the "spin" and double-talk to make it seem palatable to the unsuspecting person.

  This works for "newly interested" ones, I suspect it probably also works for the really damning stuff (UN, dates, Mexico vs. Malawi, etc) when fed to devout bethelites who are being given a "special assignment" to protect "Jehovah's name from slander".

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  My Story Of Abuse

  by Jacinta in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i'm new to this board and just wanted to share my story with everyone here.

  i used to live in arizona.

  i was very shy and quiet when i was younger.

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  According to InfoSpace.com:

  New World Educational Center
  1313 North 2nd Street
  Phoenix, AZ 85004
  602-238-9577

  And, checking a couple of other states I found:
  New World Educational Center
  13737 Farmers Boulevard
  Jamaica, NY 11434
  718-528-8751

  New World Educational Center
  205 Moore Avenue
  Freeport, NY 11520
  516-623-6409

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  How to reason with a rapist.

  by flower in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  (title modified per request).

  and to think, i thought i was valuing my precious gift of life so much that i was willing to sumbit to a violent crime in order stay alive.

  how twisted my thinking.

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  In case anyone cares: this "make the victim the criminal" rape information has offended at least one (and I'm sure many more) "wordly person". In response to our quotes page on "rape"
  http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/rape_is_fornication.htm
  and
  http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/rape_not_fornication.htm

  A reader emailed the following to Quotes:

  I unfortunately stumbled across your website and am horrified at what I saw. I am a christian woman and a survivor of rape. HOW DARE YOU try to turn the scriptures around to make rape seem to be a woman's fault? You aren't even Christians! You are Jahovah's Witnesses!! Rape survivors spend years trying to convince themselves that what happened wasn't their fault. I pray to God that I am the last survivor to read your twisted view of the Bible. Please so not continue to call yourselves Christians because you are giving us a bad name. My God is a God of love and frowns upon judging others. That is what you are doing, right? Whoever wrote this synopsis of rape makes me furious. But as a Christian woman, I am going to pray for that person. I will pray that God will give that person a clear understanding and hopefully, release him of the JW cult. [Emphasis Added]

  All I have to say to her is: damn straight!

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  'Hovahville!

  by TR in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  back in the days of 'hovahville(not to be confused with 'whoville', because whoville was a nice place!

  ), it got to the point where i secretly wished that i had never learned the "truth".

  the dividing of my family, the stupid rules and cong.

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  LOL at Lizard! I love Jimmy Buffet. Don't forget his other tune: "Cheese 'Hovah In Paradise"

  TR Nice post! Scully, glad to hear that you were treated by professionals that are as wonderful as you are!

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  Where Did All the Fun Times Go?

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  where did all the fun times go?

  i was looking at the june 1, 1985 watchtower, pg.

  29-31 with its legalistic baptism vows, where one recognizes their association with gods spirit-directed organization, when i was struck by the context of the article.. essentially it gives a last minute warning about proper decorum with swim-wear used for baptism a serious and solemn occasion.

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  Excellent post. I am too young to remember the 60s, but I do know that in one of the congregations I attended in the early 1990s they had an annual picnic -- that's right, annual: one day out of the year. (Woo hoo! one whole -- actually half -- day)

  Of course, they made a big deal that it was not a congregation picnic, it was just a picnic that a brother or sister has arranged.

  Can't have God's stoic organization do anything fun, even by lending it's name to the event, now can we?

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  Warning-Samples In The Mail

  by Dutchie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of my daughters works at citibank in manhattan, and they just passed this memorandum around to everyone.

  i'm posting it here to keep all my fellow apostates safe:.

  "seven women have died after inhaling a free perfume sample that was mailed to them.

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  Just for completeness, here is another site debunking this hoax:

  http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/perfume.htm

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  The lawyers are sniffing around my site

  by Quotes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now i'll try not to be paranoid and jump to conclusions, so let me stick to the facts.. at my quotes site i have set up an email "autoresponder" with links to online versions of the "pay attention" (i.e.

  id k0slsfs5; thu, 16 may 2002 14:38:29 +0100.

  id <k8rs3jrm>; thu, 16 may 2002 14:43:38 +0100.

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  Thanks Joy,

  Actually, I'm not too concerned. I deliberately did not include the links directly on my site, but instead use the email autoresponder, to (I hope) further distance me from getting caught up in being a co-conspirator in any copyright litigation.

  My thinking is that my actions are no different than if you telephoned me and I told you where you can go to get pirated CDs (for example). Pirating CDs is a copyright infringement, but telling others where they can obtain pirated CDs is "free speech".

  I am more concerned for those that are hosting the information. It is possible that a "Cease & Desist" letter will be forthcoming, to their ISP/web host, shortly.

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  The lawyers are sniffing around my site

  by Quotes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now i'll try not to be paranoid and jump to conclusions, so let me stick to the facts.. at my quotes site i have set up an email "autoresponder" with links to online versions of the "pay attention" (i.e.

  id k0slsfs5; thu, 16 may 2002 14:38:29 +0100.

  id <k8rs3jrm>; thu, 16 may 2002 14:43:38 +0100.

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  BTW here is a copy of the standard autoreply that when out in response to this request:

  This message is an automated response to your request for information about the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society's elders' manual, Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock. As you know, it is technically possible for Quotes.JehovahsWitnesses.com to publish an electronic (HTML) version of this book at our web site. However, Copyright law and fear of litigation prevent us from doing so. Instead, we will redirect you to another location to access this "secret" information.

  Presently, a few locations you can find the Pay Attention book are:
  http://www.douknow.net/jw_manual1.htm
  
  http://www.geocities.com/Elders_Book/2index.html
  
  http://www.powertech.net/hedning/arkiv/jv/
  
  http://home2.inet.tele.dk/carloc/
  
  Please note that the above sites are not related to and not controlled by Quotes.JehovahsWitnesses.com.

  We trust you will find this a fascinating read. In particular, Unit 5A includes a "laundry list" outlining exactly what constitutes grounds for "disfellowshipping". Included in the list is "Failure to abstain from Blood," even though The Society assured both the European Commission of Human Rights and the government in Bulgaria that use of human blood (i.e. medically necessary blood transfusion) is a matter of conscience and a personal decision, and that no Jehovah's Witnesses would be punished for choosing to accept a blood transfusion. Clearly, the printed record in the "secret" elders' manual denies the claim made by The Society (and The Society's lawyers). You can read more about the "Blood In Bulgaria" story on our web site.

  If you have any problems accessing the above web sites please let us know (via return email) and we will redirect you if possible.

  Yours very truly,

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  The lawyers are sniffing around my site

  by Quotes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now i'll try not to be paranoid and jump to conclusions, so let me stick to the facts.. at my quotes site i have set up an email "autoresponder" with links to online versions of the "pay attention" (i.e.

  id k0slsfs5; thu, 16 may 2002 14:38:29 +0100.

  id <k8rs3jrm>; thu, 16 may 2002 14:43:38 +0100.

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  Now I'll try not to be paranoid and jump to conclusions, so let me stick to the facts.

  At my quotes site I have set up an email "autoresponder" with links to online versions of the "Pay Attention" (i.e. Secret Elders) manual ( http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/pay_attention.htm ). These links go to other sites, not mine.

  This morning one of the email requests came from http://www.cliffordchance.com, a "truly integrated global law firm" based in New York. One of their specialites, according to their website, is

  Intellectual Property
  Clifford Chance's IP practice is among the largest and most successful in the world. We provide a full IP service in the areas of patents, trade marks, copyright, design, trade secrets and unfair competition, with particular expertise in complex patent litigation.

  So then... someone working for a law firm has requested links to find copies of the "Pay Attention" book.

  Here is the email I received, complete with headers, however I have edited the return email address, in compliance with my privacy statement (which is contained in the email).

  Return-Path: < [email protected]>
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  Please send me a link so I can read the Pay Attention book. I understand
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  Do you squeeze your bag?

  by Beans in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i heard that when you make tea that you are not to squeeze the bag, is this true?

  what if it is herbal tea?

  why not squeeze your bag?

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  My lovely wife and I squeeze the bag several times a week.

  So...

  What does this have to do with tea, anyhow?

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