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Watchtower illegal witness tampering?

by Quotes in

in another thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36530&page=1&site=3#493189), i mentioned a heated incident which happened on thursday at the boer vx.

cairns et al trial in toronto.

to refresh the memory: .

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Chris said:

I would be interested in hearing from anyone who was in court on Thursday as to how Vickie's lawyer addressed this issue. Hopefully he asked Frank M. to explain his comments during re-direct examination

Lamentably, no, Vikie's lawyer has NOT re-directed ANY of his witnesses.

In fact, when Defence was done with cross-examination, and it went back to Vickie's lawyer, and he passed on re-direct examination, Frank Motrell was VISIBLY DISGUSTED and DISSAPOINTED.

Hey, as I said before, I'm no lawyer, but *I* wanted to re-direct Frank to clear up some if the things mentioned in cross. *SIGH*

Edited by - Quotes on 15 September 2002 2:38:55

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It's been a fun ride (Moving On)

by Reborn2002 in

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to my friends, exjw's, and hypocritical watchtower-apologists,.

i promised on this website quite some time ago that should i ever leave jw.com, i would be honorable and not complain nor post some grandiose exit so as to garner unnecessary attention and bandwidth, and i will keep that promise.

i am not complaining, i love many people on this website, and can relate to their pain like few others can, because i experienced it myself.

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~~Reborn~~ Jason, that was a beautiful post, which is what I have come to expect from you.

I hope you will stop in back here once in a while, but if you don't, I'll understand.

Your presence here will be missed, but your need to get on with your life and put this behind you is the most important thing. (If I could deal with my JWD addiction better, I would do the same thing. Maybe one day)

I wish you peace, long life, prosperity, and happiness.

And if you are ever in Toronto, look up me (Quotes) and Beans: there will always be a cold beer waiting for you here.

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Watchtower illegal witness tampering?

by Quotes in

in another thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36530&page=1&site=3#493189), i mentioned a heated incident which happened on thursday at the boer vx.

cairns et al trial in toronto.

to refresh the memory: .

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In another thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36530&page=1&site=3#493189), I mentioned a heated incident which happened on Thursday at the Boer vx. Cairns et al trial in Toronto. To refresh the memory:

I only wish others could have seen the self-satisfied smirk on Glen Howe's face when witness for the Plaintiff Frank Motril (sp?) was explaining that he was bankrupt and unable to pay court ordered costs as a result of his unsuccessful attempts to sue WT and several elders in a unrelated case.
When Defence Counsel Colin Stevenson hammered on the point that Motril had not paid the $20K, Motril shot back with something about "And I was offered to have that waived if I agreed to *NOT* participate in this trial"
This threw all the lawyers into a tizzy, Stevenson was caught off guard, and after a brief huddle asked directly "Are you suggesting an impropriety with respect to this case?" (or something like that). The judge very quickly cut off the questioning and said (quite forcefully) "I am not interested in hearing about pre-trial settlement offers!"
She went on to chastize Stevenson because the "entire line of questioning had nothing to do with this case". Stevenson said that it was his intent to show the witness (Motril) had a bias against the Defendants in this case because he had an outstanding costs judgement against him in another case.

Now I'm not a lawyer, but...

For some reason this stuck in my mind, and now I know why. Think about it, if Frank Mottrell had simply raised an unsuccessful pre-trial settlement offer, any good lawyer would have immediately quashed the statement, as those settlement offers are not considered in court, as a matter of law -- which is what the Judge's reaction was.

But the defence didn't brush it of. Instead, he asked Frank if Frank was suggesting an impropriety. Now, that is when the judge shut them both down for discussing pre-trial settlement.

But this was not a pre-trial settlement offer! Frank is not party to the suit, so any offer to him to get him to avoid participating in the case is witness tampering and obstruction of justice!

Somehow the judge missed this, but the defence attorney realized it, and that explains his reaction.

This must be pursued. If Frank Motrell has any proof about this, it must be forwarded to the Canadian Bar Association for investigation. Furthermore, shame on both the judge and counsel for the Plaintiff for not catching this in open court. Even if they had, it would likely be referred to the Bar Association (i.e. not discussed in this court), but it would be interesting to have the judge recommend an investigation, as it would likely carry some serious weight.

Edited by - Quotes on 14 September 2002 11:13:26

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Help in "Preaching Apostaphry"

by patio34 in

the title was from a thread recently that said since jws have a ministry, do apostates have an apostrophy?.

well, today out of the blue, a previous workmate called me at work.

she stated that she had heard that i was no longer a jw.

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I agree with SS.

Also, I would say you will have to first "knock down" the WT before you can knock down the bible in general.

My website has some interesting stuff you can use, but since I deliberately don't include commentary, you and your frind will have to "connect the dots" on your own.

http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/

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Watchtower Has Statute of Limitation on SIN?

by Nanoprobe in

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statement from the vicki boer trial .

lawyer colin stevenson argued that momm and his allies were confusing the spiritual law of the witnesses, which imposes a three-year statute of limitations on such things as abuse, with the law of the land, which requires immediate reporting.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36530&site=3.

was anyone aware of this?

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I'm confused on this too.

Anyone?

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KIngdom Melodies

by freedom96 in

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just wondering if there were any good funny stories out there with the songs.. there always were the loud ones, the ones who thought they could sing.. i remember wrong songs being played on the record, then later tape, (are they on c/d yet?

) and people singing to it, but the wrong music, but they keep going anyways, especially when the "new song book" came out.. how about when the record would skip.. of course there were the brothers back there who so loved their "repsonsibility" in the hall, and took the "privledge" of doing the music so serious.. i remember back when they allowed someone to actually play the piano, she sometimes would jazz it up a little, and the congregation loved it, made it more lively, until they were chastised for it.. and then of course, no one could play live anymore, didn't want to make the musician too proud.

do you think that was really the reason?

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And, in case anyone has forgotten that growing numbers = divine bessing, lets all sing Song 53:

Song 53

Theocracys

Increase

(Isaiah 9:6, 7)

1. Hail the Theocracy, ever increasing!

Wondrous expansion is now taking place.

Praise to Jehovah is sung without ceasing

By those who walk in the light of his face.

Long years ago saw the humble beginning

As our Redeemer a lowly way trod.

Now a great crowd join the remnant in bringing

Praises to him at the right hand of God.

2. Christ on his judgment throne sits and is reigning;

Nations and peoples before him appear.

Gods sovreignty he will soon be maintaining,

Crushing his enemies both far and near.

Wonderful Counslor and Father Supernal,

Yes, Mighty God is he and Prince of Peace.

Zeal of Jehovah will bring peace eternal

And make his princely rule ever increase.

3. O what a favor we now have in living!

Does not this increase bring joy to your heart?

Share in the joy that gets greater by giving,

And in the witness work gladly take part.

Boldly warn those who are Gods name defaming;

Tell all such men Armageddon is nigh.

And all the while zealously keep proclaiming

Kingdom good news to the meek ones who sigh.

Edited by - Quotes on 12 September 2002 22:54:38

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KIngdom Melodies

by freedom96 in

jw
friends

just wondering if there were any good funny stories out there with the songs.. there always were the loud ones, the ones who thought they could sing.. i remember wrong songs being played on the record, then later tape, (are they on c/d yet?

) and people singing to it, but the wrong music, but they keep going anyways, especially when the "new song book" came out.. how about when the record would skip.. of course there were the brothers back there who so loved their "repsonsibility" in the hall, and took the "privledge" of doing the music so serious.. i remember back when they allowed someone to actually play the piano, she sometimes would jazz it up a little, and the congregation loved it, made it more lively, until they were chastised for it.. and then of course, no one could play live anymore, didn't want to make the musician too proud.

do you think that was really the reason?

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And, just in case anyone forgot that we are "Happy People" (TM), here is song 57:

Song 57

Jehovahs

Happy People

(Psalm 89:15)

1. Happy are all those who the joyful shouting know,

To whom the truth you show, to whom your blessings flow.

For they will ever walk in the brightness of your face;

Happiness they find as each serves in his place.

(Chorus)

2. Satan and his legions are pressing all around,

So let our works abound. Make earth with praise resound.

Jehovah has provided a refuge for the meek;

He will all those shield who his righteousness seek.

(Chorus)

3. May we not lose courage, though many turn away,

Though they the truth gainsay. Well watch and fight and pray,

For we must stand the test and keep our integrity;

Since our God is pleased, we can serve faithfully.

(CHORUS)

Your loving-kindness, O God, you express

To all who publicly your name now confess.

With your Word and spirit, the truth they discern,

Show faith by works and act on what they learn.

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KIngdom Melodies

by freedom96 in

jw
friends

just wondering if there were any good funny stories out there with the songs.. there always were the loud ones, the ones who thought they could sing.. i remember wrong songs being played on the record, then later tape, (are they on c/d yet?

) and people singing to it, but the wrong music, but they keep going anyways, especially when the "new song book" came out.. how about when the record would skip.. of course there were the brothers back there who so loved their "repsonsibility" in the hall, and took the "privledge" of doing the music so serious.. i remember back when they allowed someone to actually play the piano, she sometimes would jazz it up a little, and the congregation loved it, made it more lively, until they were chastised for it.. and then of course, no one could play live anymore, didn't want to make the musician too proud.

do you think that was really the reason?

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OK, Minimus will now stand and sing Song 225.

Drawing

ClosetoJehovah

(Psalm 73:28)

1. Your favor, O Jehovah,

Is something we hold dear.

As your devoted children,

We will to you keep near.

It is the finest treasure

To have you as our Friend.

Your love is pure, makes us secure.

Our thanks to you ascend.

2. Since you, as our Great Shepherd,

Did kindly for us look

And called us by Christ Jesus,

We then the world forsook.

Our sinfulness you pardoned

In mercy deep and wide.

You are so kind; much joy we find

As with you we reside.

3. Your Son taught us to know you

And give you all due praise.

Your tenderness and goodness,

They surely us amaze.

We want to know you better,

Draw closer to you still.

Do us befriend clear to the end;

Help us to do your will.

Edited by - Quotes on 12 September 2002 22:49:10

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MAJOR NEWS- VICKI BOER TRIAL/Canadian Press/Sep 12

by hawkaw in

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/020912/6/owki.html

http://www.canoe.ca/nationalticker/canoe-wire.jehovah-lawsuit.html

thursday september 12 5:32 pm est .

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Her Ladyship has reserved judgement on Penton's testimony until tomorrow (Friday).

There was some question about whether he was to present "similar fact" testimony or "expert witness" testimony.

I was not impressed with Plaintif Counsel Mark's arguments to allow Penton. I'm not a lawyer, but I felt like screaming my arguments as to why Penton should be allowed to testify.

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MAJOR NEWS- VICKI BOER TRIAL/Canadian Press/Sep 12

by hawkaw in

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/020912/6/owki.html

http://www.canoe.ca/nationalticker/canoe-wire.jehovah-lawsuit.html

thursday september 12 5:32 pm est .

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I only wish others could have seen the self-satisfied smirk on Glen Howe's face when witness for the Plaintiff Frank Motril (sp?) was explaining that he was bankrupt and unable to pay court ordered costs as a result of his unsuccessful attempts to sue WT and several elders in a unrelated case.

When Defence Counsel Colin Stevenson hammered on the point that Motril had not paid the $20K, Motril shot back with something about "And I was offered to have that waived if I agreed to *NOT* participate in this trial"

This threw all the lawyers into a tizzy, Stevenson was caught off guard, and after a brief huddle asked directly "Are you suggesting an impropriety with respect to this case?" (or something like that). The judge very quickly cut off the questioning and said (quite forcefully) "I am not interested in hearing about pre-trial settlement offers!"

She went on to chastize Stevenson because the "entire line of questioning had nothing to do with this case". Stevenson said that it was his intent to show the witness (Motril) had a bias against the Defendants in this case because he had an outstanding costs judgement against him in another case.

At this point the Judge ROLLED HER EYES. She was clearly not buying it!

Honestly, although much of the trial is dry and bland, towards the end of today is getting to be like a great episode of Law & Order.

Edited by - Quotes on 12 September 2002 21:51:43