I actually like the term. I grew up in a small predominately Quaker town in New Jersey.
I now use the term to refer to my daughter's second grade classmates. As in "Are many of the friends going to the birthday party on Saturday?"
when i was a little dubbie we used the expression "the friends" to describe fellow dubbies.
we would say things like "she's one of the friends," or ask questions like "is he one of the friends?
is this terms still used in that fashion in dubland?
I actually like the term. I grew up in a small predominately Quaker town in New Jersey.
I now use the term to refer to my daughter's second grade classmates. As in "Are many of the friends going to the birthday party on Saturday?"
at the conclusion of the last day of our district convention just before the closing prayer the speaker (a member of the gb) said that we should give thanks to jehovah through his organization for all the wonderful things he had provided.
this comment floored me, as thanks to god is only to be given through his son jesus christ.
do you think the speakers comment was simply a slip of tongue or was he really putting the organization ahead of god's son in importance?
The classic form of apostasy from the Christian faith is the denial that Jesus is the Christ. The Watchtower clearly teaches that Jesus did not die on behalf of all mankind. According to the Watchtower salvation comes from obedience to the organization. Therefore it should come as no surprise that the Watchtower regards itself as the mediator between God and man and insists that prayers be offered in the name of the organization.
do you think it is the fact that jehovahs witness do a very obivious preaching campian, that convinces them that it is the true religion.when all the doubts you can think off have been raised they seem to just say "well we are the only ones that do the preaching work".
without the preaching work would it be harder for people to cling on to the religion, what else could they fall back on to convince themselves,it would be very difficult.
Danny makes a very good point.
In my experience talking to "worldlings," they know virtually nothing about the teachings of the Watchtower Multilevel Marketing Corp. Perhaps the reason is that the marketing activities of the WT are so passive. For example this weekend I went grocery shopping at 11:00 on Saturday morning. Standing in front of the supermarket was a dub holding up the magazines. The dub was mute, but counting time. Very few people know anything about the dubs because very few people actually talk to them.
beth sarim, the house in san diego rutherford had built and lived in.. from the proclaimers book, page 76,a few years after brother rutherford?s death, the board of directors of the watch tower society decided to sell beth-sarim.
"the watchtower" of december 15, 1947, explained: "it had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep; our faith in the return of the men of old time whom the king christ jesus will make princes in all the earth (not merely in california) is based, not upon that house beth-sarim, but upon god?s word of promise.
but, did the watchtower of december 15,1947 state what was the purpose beth-sarim had fully served?.
The book The New World shows that the purpose of Beth Sarim was to give testimony to the world which would cause the religionists of that day to gnash their teeth. Most likely all the required teeth gnashing was finished by 1947 so they no longer needed the house.
beth sarim, the house in san diego rutherford had built and lived in.. from the proclaimers book, page 76,a few years after brother rutherford?s death, the board of directors of the watch tower society decided to sell beth-sarim.
"the watchtower" of december 15, 1947, explained: "it had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep; our faith in the return of the men of old time whom the king christ jesus will make princes in all the earth (not merely in california) is based, not upon that house beth-sarim, but upon god?s word of promise.
but, did the watchtower of december 15,1947 state what was the purpose beth-sarim had fully served?.
Hi VM,
I think the reason is explained in the book The New World which was published in 1942
jws believe they are normal.
yet, they feel, that anyone not a witness, (aka "worldly") is abnormal.
for example, at a jw wedding, it would be inappropriate to "toast" and cling glasses to the happiness of the new bride and groom.
Normal people don't join wacked out brain dead mid-nineteenth century end of the world religious cults/
i understand the boys are building more hotels up at the farm-.
i had a coversation with a jw about this issue and i asked them to consider-.
when folks go to bethel they are on vacation, when they go to the hall it is to worship god-.
JT
Your post makes me remember a question I've had for awhile. I understand they have a hotel at Patterson. Do you have to be a dub to get a room there. If so how does this square with laws in the US prohibiting discrimination on the basis of religion in public accomodations? If not how do they keep the worldlings from overunning their hotel?
my jw friend (the only one who does keep in touch) is really considering "fading".. the trouble is that she was raised a jw and is finding it all really difficult, plus her father is a prominent jw.. she mentioned to me the scripture (matthew?
) that says that the last days would have to be cut short for the sake of the holy ones.
she says they always taught that this referred to the anointed and that they'd all die off if jehovah didn't cut short the days of the time of the end.. she says that if they ever change thoughts on this doctrine she would immediately leave.
The WT teaching about the "great tribulation" being "cut short" was changed in 1969. Prior to 1969 the cultists believed that the gt started in 1914 and that Jehovah cut it "short" in the middle in 1918 and would resume it again at some later point. University of Cincinnati dropout Fred Franz decided that this long gap between the gt being cut short in its middle and its resumption was no longer theologically tenable and therefore in 1969 decided that the gt had actually not started in 1914 but would start at some future point like maybe 1975. Its cutting short now referred to the idea that it would not last a really long time lest everyone on earth die.
what things did you believe as a kid that now make you chuckle?.
i believed:.
that father christmas had special dust which he sprinkled into the children's eyes so they would forget they'd seen him.
As a child I believed that in the year 1919 Jesus chose a printing company run by a drunken lawyer as his sole respresentatives on earth. When I grew up I stopped believing in that fairy tale.
in my writing class, my teacher has asked us to describe something that we used to treasure but now loathe.
so my paper will be about the district convention.
i need some great words to describe my feelings...boredom just skims the surface...the best adjective gets a free pizza!
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