Posts by apostatethunder

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So how will / should the Watchtower respond publicly when the news of their lawsuit loss hits the news?

by sir82 in

in case anyone missed it:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/227017/1/watchtower-found-guilty-ruled-to-pay-7-million-to-1-victim-wow.

the wt has been found negligent and ordered to pay $7 million to a vistim of child abuse, plus punitive damages (not yet determined).. the punitive damages may well exceed the $7 million.

apostatethunder

I find the graphics in the September watchtower very disturbing. I also heard from some people that is still in, that they are preparing them for persecution. Maybe now that I see them from the outside, the picture is clearer, but I find them more and more extreme and even frightening.

They are preaching the fall of Christendom for many years now, what type of privileged information do they have in regards to that? The Bible? They fit the description of Babylon the Great far better than the Catholic Church. Why do they have this fixation?

They hide behind the people of the r&f, and that’s why they need to have them so controlled.

The r&f are not even going to hear about this case, even if they hear it wont have much of an effect, this are the last days, even in the pure congregation there are ravenous wolves, etc.

Even if some people inside the organization are hypocrites, some of them are not, and my heart goes to this ones, because they don’t know what they are supporting.

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Do you really thing the GB has a clue of the affect they have on the R&F?

by mynameislame in

i work at a very recognizable company (hint they are the father (mother?

) of the tla).

as one of the rank and file at that company i can say even my direct manager has no clue what my job is like on a day to day basis.

apostatethunder

I think the GB are not the ones pulling the strings. They put the face, but there are many other interests at stake. They have to trust in the people they have around, and some of them are possibly working against the organization, others probably want to impose their own view and are the ones responsible for some of the most extreme policies. There are also the share of incompetent ones that every organization has, possibly the ones involved in the Sparlockgate.

If they started as r&f it means they were believers at some point at least. They probably believe in what they do at some level without necessarily believing it is the truth. In any case power tends to corrupt and they have a lot of it.

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NEW LIGHT in latest Watchtower!!!

by The Searcher in

literally hundreds and hundreds of quotations like the one below have been made, to "prove" that only the heavenly -hopers are "sons of god".

(type in 'spiritual sons of god' in cd rom).

"jehovah forgives the error of the other sheep on the basis of jesus shed blood of the covenant.

apostatethunder

I never paid much attention at the meetings when they started talking about the 144000, Babylon the Great, the scarlet Beast, etc. so I probably missed important points like that of Jesus being the mediator for only the 144000. I don’t even remember that.

They are trapped by their own lies, when they should be focusing on the weightier matters of the Law, like justice, mercy and faithfulness, rather than on dragons, wild beasts, and drunken harlots.

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Why Do You Believe Elders Have Special Spiritual Powers? To J.W.s visiting or droping by!

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

to brothers and sisters passing by, a note to think about:.

your elders and ministerial servants are just men, not prophets, not appointed by holy spirit, they are human beings like you.. you attribute or impute some quality to us that does not exist, we are not any close to god than you are.

the training we received did not prepare us for the kinds of situations we were thrown into.

apostatethunder

In every congregation there are some elders that try to do their best, and there are also the big egos that put themselves above the others. Same goes for elderettes.

Unfortunately the organization promotes the differentiation of people based on their title, and on external appearances, and the ones at the bottom of the hierarchy become dependent and approval-seeking of the ones at the top, which contributes to the degradation of everyone as they become followers of men rather than followers of Christ.

Critizising the elders is like going against the holy spirit, the only unforgivable sin, so the simple sheep will think twice before opening their mouths against the arrangement. Not that many in the congregation will listen, after all nobody wants to be like rebel Korah and his followers that ended up being swallowed by the earth.

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The Little Aggravations: Things I Don't Miss

by simon17 in

jw
friends

there are some major problems with the jws, doctrinally, socially, and organizationally.

from shunning to crazy elder bodies to guilt trips, there are many things that were really bad.

this thread is devoted to the small, insignificant things that just really really irked you.

apostatethunder

Field service

Hypocrisy

Stupid comments, (also stupid conversations that lead nowhere)

Talks about headship/sister’s status

Depressed sisters

Jealousy

Being lectured by somebody that doesn’t have a clue

Local needs: do more return visits

Blackmail in any of its forms

Stalkers

Being looked at as a Pharisee for voicing a different point of view

Etc.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-10-2012 WT Study (BETRAYAL)

by blondie in

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friends

how can we imitate the loyalty.

in our loyalty to our marriage.

your marriage mate.

apostatethunder

Hi Blondie, thanks a lot for this interesting study. Much deeper understanding than what we are used to hear at the meetings.

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If you never have used the internet, would you have returned to the borg or stay in the organization?

by Iamallcool in

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friends

if i have never used the internet, i would probably return to the borg by now.

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apostatethunder

No. My last couple of years in the organization, I had the feeling that sometimes we were being called IDIOTS from the platform. Maybe I was more awake, or more fed up, but I could see it in neon lights sometimes. Without reading the experiences of others that walked the walk before me I would have felt more lonely in my struggle, but I don’t think I would have come back this time. I am very grateful to all those that post in this forum, I owe you a big part of my freedom, it would have been very difficult without you, so thank you.

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How many JWs will leave the organization after viewing the Sparlock video? Estimate

by Iamallcool in

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friends

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apostatethunder

My guess is none. I agree with the percentages of breakfast for champions. Not sure if it is intentional, or they have a lot of closet apostates as phizzy says, but it looks like lately they are really pushing it. Some children wont be impressed with the video once their parents start asking them to throw all their magic toys.

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"Blunders that led to World War"

by Jeffro in

on the watchtower.org site at the moment, they are featuring a link to an article that first appeared in the august 2009 awake!

that purportedly talks about how world war i began.. in jw make-believe land, world war i began suddenly, and was essentially a big surprise.

so it's interesting to note that the one of the most significant things that led to world war ithe first and second balkan warsare completely omitted from the article.

apostatethunder

History is a continuum, events can not be studied separately, 1914 did not happen out of the blue, neither did II WW. There were political and economical problems long before everything exploded that lead to the wars. Apart from costing millions of lives both wars had a significant political effect.

Hopefully we will never have to endure a III WW and hopefully we will start demanding responsibilities from the ones that lead us to the current crisis before it is too late.

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JW, Religion, Cult or Pyramid Scheme?

by theannointed in

hello.. here is some thought provoking debate that may help people investigate the true nature of the watch tower society.. this surely should be something that everyone who belongs to the society and any one who plans to convert should do.. i did this myself, after getting involved with a girl who was a fanatical jw and by doing so, i believe that i discovered the true nature of the wt.. but please, do not take my word for it, please do your own research and reading.. this is really important as by signing up or getting baptised as a jw, you are basically surendering your own personal rights to an unknown authority who proclaims to speak for god.

and by doing so you will suffer major negative socio-economic implications on a daily basis due to the restrictions and demands enforced by those involved and in control of the ws.. personally, learning how the watch tower society got started was enough to convince me that the watch tower society is not what it proclaims to be.

my suspicions were compounded after learning more about nathan knors (past president of the watch tower society) involvement with the nazi's in the second world war.. for those out there who do not know how the watch tower society got started, i recommend that you research the main man behind it joseph franklin rutherford, as it was not as many jw's believe, charles taze russel who started the society but russel's lawyer joseph franklin rutherford, a man whom in my opinion was of questionable character, who underhandedly seized power over russel's followers after russel's death.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/watch_tower_society_presidency_dispute_(1917).

apostatethunder

theannointed, welcome to this forum. Totally agree with you about keeping track of the people in charge of the organization and their connections. The question is if there is anybody with real interest in getting to the bottom of it.