Posts by apostatethunder

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Paradise or Oblivion

by Fernando in

from youtube:.

this video presentation advocates a new socio-economic system, which is updated to present-day knowledge, featuring the life-long work of social engineer, futurist, inventor and industrial designer jacque fresco, which he calls a resource-based economy.

this documentary details the root causes of the systemic value disorders and detrimental symptoms caused by our current established system.

apostatethunder

Fernando, to me this sounds a bit like what the WT preaches, an utopia. Some of the technology aspect will probably become true in the future. But the social part of it, is not realistic.

People like to be paid for their job, it’s a question of personal satisfaction, they also like to own their things, even animals want to own their territory.

Science is as good as the men using it, and men are as good as their values. Not all countries are developed to the same level, the same as not all individuals are. Not all individuals have honourable motives. Some just want to take advantage of others. We have a long way to go before we can have a global government that will be good to all. History teach us that governments that have no opposition become tyrannies. Imagine what a global tyranny would be like. What would happen to dissidents? It doesn’t convince me.

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It took me a long time to write this...i'm staying.

by MsGrowingGirl20 in

it took me a long time to write this....i'm being brutally honest...i am still a reg pioneer...three sundays ago,i was praying and asking god for a sign or something because i was so confused...i told him exactly what i needed to see for me to believe.i was feeling terrible--crying and feeling sick because i was so confused.ten minutes after, i walked into the kingdom hall and to my surprise--my prayer was answered!

i soooo wasn't expecting it, even though i prayed.

so this is where almighty god wants me to be,ii've reasoned.

apostatethunder

I am amazed at the capacity this organization has to create a problem in people’s lives and then present themselves as the only solution.

I don’t know what sign you saw that made you decide to stay, but you saw other signs that lead you to this site. Don’t ever forget this other signs.

Don’t waste more time in a cult that tells you what to think and how to live your life. The friends you have at the KH are conditional friends. Your whole life is ahead of you, go to college, make new friends and don’t let others decide for yourself.

Even if your congregation is made up of nice people, ask yourself who is running this organization, and if they treat people as Jesus did or as the Pharisees did. For their fruits you will know them, what are their fruits? They demand total obedience from their followers, you don’t agree with them, you die. In the meantime, they’ll make sure they destroy your reputation and separate you from your friends and family. All this in the name of God.

Please get out, don’t waste your youth supporting the agenda of this people, whatever that is.

You don’t need them to have a relationship with God, Jesus is the only mediator not them.

Also think, why are you preaching? Do you really wish for others to enter into this cult?

Use your life to try and make this world a better place, don’t believe those who say the best way to do this is by keeping separate from the world and doing nothing other than going from door to door trying to convince other people to do the same. They are trying to change things, but for their own benefit, and they rely on your ignorance and inaction to succeed.

Be free and be happy.

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Anyone out there trapped in a unscriptural divorce by their witness mate.Unable to get remarried or you will be shunned

by BlindersOff1 in

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apostatethunder

How sad having the most private decisions in your life in the hands of other people like that. And yet when you are in the organization you come to view this as normal. It is not.

“Who are you to judge the house servant of another?” Rom 14:4

“One there is that is lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But you, who are you to be judging your neighbour? James 4:12

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Beware of Sparlock! Pay No Attention To The Pedophiles Behind The Curtain!

by DT in

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isn't it ironic that the governing body saw fit to produce a child's video warning about the dangers of plastic toys while trying to cover up the danger of sexual predators in their kingdom halls?.

even the theme to listen, obey and be blessed only reinforces the kind of culture that allows the abuse of children to go unnoticed for years.. the callous disregard for children is mind boggling.. i suspect that the governing body knew that there could be some expensive settlements coming up and rushed the production of the ill advised sparlock video to try to squeeze a few more donations out of the rank and file while they still have a chance.

they probably didn't take time to consider that it would only add to their troubles and expose their hypocrisy.. .

apostatethunder

The sooner the indoctrination starts the better.

In all fairness the book learning from the great teacher teaches children to resist paedophiles, but the sparlock video is the beginning of a life of spiritual manipulation

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What do you think is in the mind of the governing body?

by EndofMysteries in

apostatethunder

Power.

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Thought Reform and the Psychology of the 'Safeguard Your Heart!' 2012 Convention

by breakfast of champions in

to make attendance at my second district convention "mentally out" both a little more bearable and meaningful, i decided to take some notes of key points as if i were an outsider studying the thought reform methods of jehovah's witnesses.

at first, i was only going to share these notes with my therapist, but inspired by the "parsing the watchtower double-speak" thread, i figured i would share my amateur analysis with everyone.

here are some of the highlights:.

apostatethunder

Breakfast for champions, thanks for posting your analysis, it is very insightful and scary.

So basically they are asking you to hand over your heart to them, as you can not handle it yourself. And you have to give them the whole of it, not half. So after you have done this, what do you have to offer to God, or to anyone else for that matter? Is this why God gave you free will? For you to be a slave not to Him but to some ass**** that tells you what to think? Who do this people think they are?

Also remember your heart is desperate, inclined to bad and treacherous, and the questions is, how is theirs?

Everything is about the organization, do not murmur, do not criticize, do not doubt, do not think, if you are not with them you are against them, as they equate themselves with Jesus himself.

They are effectively destroying people. If you destroy somebody’s sense of self, what’s left? This cult is evil and they are getting more and more radical, poor you that had to endure this program, I wouldn’t have been able to, and poor the ones that believe in all this BS.

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So how will / should the Watchtower respond publicly when the news of their lawsuit loss hits the news?

by sir82 in

in case anyone missed it:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/227017/1/watchtower-found-guilty-ruled-to-pay-7-million-to-1-victim-wow.

the wt has been found negligent and ordered to pay $7 million to a vistim of child abuse, plus punitive damages (not yet determined).. the punitive damages may well exceed the $7 million.

apostatethunder

I find the graphics in the September watchtower very disturbing. I also heard from some people that is still in, that they are preparing them for persecution. Maybe now that I see them from the outside, the picture is clearer, but I find them more and more extreme and even frightening.

They are preaching the fall of Christendom for many years now, what type of privileged information do they have in regards to that? The Bible? They fit the description of Babylon the Great far better than the Catholic Church. Why do they have this fixation?

They hide behind the people of the r&f, and that’s why they need to have them so controlled.

The r&f are not even going to hear about this case, even if they hear it wont have much of an effect, this are the last days, even in the pure congregation there are ravenous wolves, etc.

Even if some people inside the organization are hypocrites, some of them are not, and my heart goes to this ones, because they don’t know what they are supporting.

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Do you really thing the GB has a clue of the affect they have on the R&F?

by mynameislame in

i work at a very recognizable company (hint they are the father (mother?

) of the tla).

as one of the rank and file at that company i can say even my direct manager has no clue what my job is like on a day to day basis.

apostatethunder

I think the GB are not the ones pulling the strings. They put the face, but there are many other interests at stake. They have to trust in the people they have around, and some of them are possibly working against the organization, others probably want to impose their own view and are the ones responsible for some of the most extreme policies. There are also the share of incompetent ones that every organization has, possibly the ones involved in the Sparlockgate.

If they started as r&f it means they were believers at some point at least. They probably believe in what they do at some level without necessarily believing it is the truth. In any case power tends to corrupt and they have a lot of it.

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NEW LIGHT in latest Watchtower!!!

by The Searcher in

literally hundreds and hundreds of quotations like the one below have been made, to "prove" that only the heavenly -hopers are "sons of god".

(type in 'spiritual sons of god' in cd rom).

"jehovah forgives the error of the other sheep on the basis of jesus shed blood of the covenant.

apostatethunder

I never paid much attention at the meetings when they started talking about the 144000, Babylon the Great, the scarlet Beast, etc. so I probably missed important points like that of Jesus being the mediator for only the 144000. I don’t even remember that.

They are trapped by their own lies, when they should be focusing on the weightier matters of the Law, like justice, mercy and faithfulness, rather than on dragons, wild beasts, and drunken harlots.

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Why Do You Believe Elders Have Special Spiritual Powers? To J.W.s visiting or droping by!

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

to brothers and sisters passing by, a note to think about:.

your elders and ministerial servants are just men, not prophets, not appointed by holy spirit, they are human beings like you.. you attribute or impute some quality to us that does not exist, we are not any close to god than you are.

the training we received did not prepare us for the kinds of situations we were thrown into.

apostatethunder

In every congregation there are some elders that try to do their best, and there are also the big egos that put themselves above the others. Same goes for elderettes.

Unfortunately the organization promotes the differentiation of people based on their title, and on external appearances, and the ones at the bottom of the hierarchy become dependent and approval-seeking of the ones at the top, which contributes to the degradation of everyone as they become followers of men rather than followers of Christ.

Critizising the elders is like going against the holy spirit, the only unforgivable sin, so the simple sheep will think twice before opening their mouths against the arrangement. Not that many in the congregation will listen, after all nobody wants to be like rebel Korah and his followers that ended up being swallowed by the earth.