Posts by apostatethunder

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Strategy game controlling JW religion

by slimboyfat in

along the lines of my previous thread.... .

would it be a cool idea to invent a computer strategy game where you are in control of jehovah's witnesses and you can manipulate various policies and watch the results?

run your own religion.

apostatethunder

Appart from the incentive of money, political or social effect, and power over others, high control groups provide a pool of trusting people and a close environment over which the leader/s have a lot of control. The more ensnared someone is, the more ensnared they can eventually become.

The WT works like a totalitarian micro-society. Witnesses trust the organization blindly in EVERYTHING they do, including very personal decissions, and are kept in an infantile state for all their lives unless they decide to leave and pay the consequences.

Having this type of influence over millions of people over the world is not a force for civilization.

That is why knowing who is behind high control groups is a matter of public concern as is THEIR mental health. Tom Cruise once boasted in an interview that they are the authorities on the mind, which raises some disturbing questions when you think about what that means.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0

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"Vindication" book. 1931- anti female rant. With Scans

by BluesBrother in

so "women make monkeys out of men" and the common courtesies of civilised society make a man "effeminate".....and that is enough to have a man barred from the kingdom.... (the kj version uses that word in 1 cor.6.9 but other translations apply it to homosexuality).

mother's day is denounced as a scheme of satan to idolize one's mother at the expense of worship to god!.

now it would be easy to dismiss this baloney as just a rant from jfr, but - this is not just an aside on the back page of a magazine or a small article in the "golden age"...no, it is a main study book and is a serious discussion of the prophetic book ezekiel chapt 13....this was the doctine of the time .. i woder how the 'sisters' reacted?

apostatethunder

These four pages explain in a nutshell everything one needs to know about the men running this corporation.

I heard once at a meeting that wives shouldn't feel jealous of Jehovah, as if that was possible. Why would they need to compete with Him in the first place? God is the Source of Life, and women are created in God's image, something this retards seem to forget. Respecting them is respecting Life. Men that don't give women their due place and honour, deserve nothing from them.

And this reminds me of Braveheart.

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Marry in the Lord

by Rattigan350 in

they do not do a good job of exploring why different people stop going to the meetings and make any improvements.. this is a quote from another topic.

it reminds me of the may 15 2012 study article about marry only in the lord, p 4 para7.

they are not trying to improve their product (the people).

apostatethunder

Marry in the Lord means for them marry in the Watchtower, so it follows the Watchtower is the Lord?

Or women as a captive audience.

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Jehovah's Witness Gang Stalking - yes or no?

by BackseatDevil in

has anyone had any first hand experiences with this?

i have googled it several times and it seems right up there with big foot and the loch ness monster.

there are stong emotional writings that describe the events of such, but few peole have very much evidence other then videos of (seemingly) random cars and such.. i ask because i was a rather involved member of the organization and have happily been god-free for 15 years.

apostatethunder

They are stalkers, and I know this first hand unfortunately.

Even if you don't go to the meetings anymore, they very much want to know how you think and what you are up to and where.

When a series of consecutive "casual" encounters with them leave you annoyed and upset you realize that perhaps they are not so "casual".

The drama two years ago was about two elders on a mission to clear the name of a brother falsely accussed of immorality, and they acted like two detectives, checking facebook accounts, etc. This time was for a good cause, but surely they are just as diligent when gathering evidence to ditch someone.

STALKING the flock seems to be a big part of their job.

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Jehovah's Witnesses and informed consent

by JeffT in

jw
friends

informed consent is a common phrase in medicine and related law.

the term means a patient knows all relevant facts and is mentally capable of making decisions about his or her care.

(see wikipedia.com informed consent).

apostatethunder

Informed consent implies that you have all pertinent information before you make a decission, otherwise we are talking about a scam.

A few years ago there was no easy access to information about this organization. They just offer you a Bible study, no strings attached, they don't want to change your religion...but once you are in, strong social pressure and the use of various forms of manipulation make breaking free very difficult.

They depend on this type of control to keep people in. If witnesses enjoyed the freedom other religions that they have the cheek to criticize have, they would have no followers at all.

Individuals that scam others are dealt with as crooks, it shouldn't be any different if you are a corporation.

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Jehovah's Witness Gang Stalking - yes or no?

by BackseatDevil in

has anyone had any first hand experiences with this?

i have googled it several times and it seems right up there with big foot and the loch ness monster.

there are stong emotional writings that describe the events of such, but few peole have very much evidence other then videos of (seemingly) random cars and such.. i ask because i was a rather involved member of the organization and have happily been god-free for 15 years.

apostatethunder

I remember when I was still in, the way they approach inactive ones, or even brothers/sisters from whom they want to get some sort of info is never upfront.

They are experts of the "casual" encounter (we were just passing by), indirect techniques (the elders using someone else to ask you something).

If they were honest themselves they wouldn't need to use these tactics. People that truly appreciate others can afford more sincerity. They have no right to interfere in people's lives, either the ones they FOOL and are still in, or the ones who finally free themselves from them.

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Petition to help Palestine

by Nambo in

http://www.avaaz.org/en/palestine_worlds_next_nation_uk/?bmiddbb&v=19229.

if you are the anti-apartied sort of person who would like to end the suffering of a persecuted peoples, please sign the above petition.

apostatethunder

The question is not Palestinian state or no Palestinian state, the question is that there is a people that has been robbed of their land, as well as all their rights in 1947 while the world chose to look the other side.

To say that the land belongs to Israel because God gave it to them is an insult to God and intelligence. If He gave them the land, He also drove them out 2000 years ago. The means by which they returned can not be supported by any decent person, namely terrorism, extortion and false flag crimes. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

The promises in the Bible about Israel are referring to Spiritual Israel, the new nation of God after they rejected the Messiah.

Jews lived in Muslim countries like the Ottoman Empire for centuries without being persecuted, and they still do as well as Christians in Iran nowadays. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BImH8d84Vo

All the propaganda in the world can not change the fact that Israel is committing crimes against humanity and sooner or later they will have to account for them. These images are very disturbing, if you have the stomach have a look at the real Israel. Who is the terrorist? http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/the-new-abu-ghraib/

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What strand of Christianity gave birth to WTBTS?

by Band on the Run in

i know about johnathan edwards and william miller being some of the forerunners of the wtbts.

how about much earlier in time?

was there a group during the middle ages or even earlier that preached something similar to the wt doctrine?

apostatethunder

“Bible cults cannot understand the authority of Christ and his total ability to know his own and to provide for their needs single-handedly“.

Who questions that? But why should Catholics deny themselves meeting and worshiping freely with other Catholics? If somebody finds that is a personal affront to them, they have the problem, not the Church.

If somebody’s ideology is defined by attacking someone else’s religion is not worth much. Catholicism stands on its own.

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What strand of Christianity gave birth to WTBTS?

by Band on the Run in

i know about johnathan edwards and william miller being some of the forerunners of the wtbts.

how about much earlier in time?

was there a group during the middle ages or even earlier that preached something similar to the wt doctrine?

apostatethunder

Perry, facts speak for themselves. Whatever Bible you read nowadays was preserved by the Catholic Church for at least 1500 years.

The Church has a history of 2000 years, starting shortly after Jesus was alive, the WT just over a century, and in a context of a series of political movements that spread in the late XIX century, I wont even attempt to compare them. That without going into what they stand for and the effect they have in people’s lives.

Regarding the papal propaganda, how many millions of Catholics were killed only in the last couple of centuries and based on what reason?

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What strand of Christianity gave birth to WTBTS?

by Band on the Run in

i know about johnathan edwards and william miller being some of the forerunners of the wtbts.

how about much earlier in time?

was there a group during the middle ages or even earlier that preached something similar to the wt doctrine?

apostatethunder

Albigensias or Cathars were quite a radical heresy, they didn’t recognize any authority secular or Roman, the physical world was evil, and grace was nowhere to be found, pretty much as in WT world.

“My dad once told me he didn't know what Jehovah's Witnesses were for, but that they were against everything! It was an old country joke“.

This actually explains everything one needs to know about them.

“The Nazis thought JWs were Jewish spies“.

That makes more sense than the Trinity explanation.

“If you look at this sideways, it looks like a Menorah! That proves it, and there are 10 arrows, representing the 10 lost tribe of Israel! Wow the things you learn on JWD“.

The Roman Church, and what it represents is what they covet, the promised land.

People that know their identity and their history, are no so easily enslaved by others, mentally, emotionally or spiritually, much less by others that have nothing to offer in comparison with what they already have.

The Church was far too powerful to attack it upfront, therefore the need to divide it first.

There is no such thing as an organization without some sort of power structure, it would be chaotic, and those who separated from Rome always had their own hierarchies, covert and not so covert, and in some cases as with the Witnesses, far more totalitarian than the ones they shamelessly criticise.

Those who seek to undermine the moral authority of the Church, that with so much care preserved the Bible and Christ teachings throughout the centuries, do so only because they want to enforce their own authority. The question is: what is it they stand for?