NotFormer:
If u have a copy of the shepherding book --
I will not quote the many references eliminating the word"member" - but pubs are now called -
"individal, publisher, anyone" - those are the three designated labels now entered rather than "member" in this particular book - I would assume with the increasing legal woes due to child abuse that the org is now washed in, that the word "member" has been changed due to legalese and suits. This points the finger away from a "member".
per request from petrw🙂, some revelation stuff.... .
the four horsemen didn't start in 1914 or earlier- the timing is once jesus is enthroned in heaven.. .
the winds of destruction are on the religious institutions.. .
Good to know and thanks - I agree about coming to earth - Revelation speaks of it three times that I see... will be such a glorious time
has anyone got any good 'jws and alcohol' stories?
i always found it amazing that so many jws got blind drunk at parties and got away with it!
i suppose alcohol was the only fun thing we were allowed to partake in....
I do but can't remember
Oh come on! No way! They just upped the membership to $15.00 per pub in our area... thats hard cash going in from one congregation, and with 100 pubs thats 1500.00 a month ---not to mention how many more in Canada- every month, forever until they raise it again next year. So much for a monthly contribution but remember- no more mortgages to re do halls... what halls?
The pubs do not remember that this so called monthly amount to the org was to cover any renos to be done.(which we still pay for )...now its a membership fee= but pubs are not longer members of this organization - they are just someone in this organization! The word "member" has been removed from all org books....i.e. Shepherding
the only spirit-directed organization on earth never ceases to amaze me.. https://www.youtube.com/live/0u2ohrbdm-c?feature=share.
This is a joke! Who are these guys? Any elders meetings were hot and heavy... they ran him down only after they decided to turf him... but whoever he was, he wasn't coming across as an elder, arms crossed, did have a tendency to be offput, but with 4 on one, who lovingly reading scripture and the wise words of the org (sarcasm) to show how much the org is a power hungry, manipulating machine albeit, once baptized, hook and line and sinker, your in for it. Bit and switch to the new world organization. Bet his daughters will have a pension and medical to go with their hard won efforts, and probably may still be associated in someway.
per request from petrw🙂, some revelation stuff.... .
the four horsemen didn't start in 1914 or earlier- the timing is once jesus is enthroned in heaven.. .
the winds of destruction are on the religious institutions.. .
EP:
Enjoy your in depth discussions however, why do you use so many spaces between your thoughts?
well, that is my prediction for 2024 anyway!
hey, if watchtower can speculate..... https://youtu.be/dn8askhhwkw.
Regarding Morris resuming his" anointed" role, Hebrews 6: 4-6 aptly applies -"impossible to revive them again to repentance for they nail the Son of God to the stake again". If org does, their whole system falls apart! More so than now.
it is possible that if he likes to imbibe profusely, he may start spilling the beans and not give a shite about the org. or forget he signed off anything. Whiskey anyone?
the wt org claims that the lamb's marriage will happen after armageddon, despite the fact that revelation 19 very clearly says that the lamb's marriage happens after the destruction of babylon the great.
and that after the lamb's marriage he with heavenly armies will go to destroy the wicked.. the wt claims that the order of events in revelation 19 is not really in that order referring to psalm 45. but i can't find in psalm 45 any explicit contradiction to revelation 19. .
paragraph 10 in the following article shows the wt org's view point:.
- Re vs 39 -fulfillment of the promise--- looking at vs 16 it says that they are reaching out for a better better place, one belonging to heaven as God has prepared a place for them... this would indicate those who were named previously in Chtp 11 were in the same league as those in Paul's day, as shown in vs 40 when it says " so that they may not be made perfect apart from us"? Where is this place God prepared for them in heaven or on earth ? What scripture does it say that Abraham and the rest will be on earth? Abraham was promised an heir- leading to Jesus, land, to be a father of many- what scripture does it say he will be resurrected to earth and not in the "better place belonging to heaven ?
I realize that those who died prior to Jesus' sacrifice remained in the grave but after his sacrifice, things took a turn but no one knows to what degree. Why is there a date of 1914/1918 attributed to the ascension of the "Holy ones"? Are you depending on Daniels count of time?
these are good comments to consider enjoy!.
jehovah's witnesses who leave their religion, do so for many different reasons.
here are seven.. watchtower prophecies and dates for armageddon have failed repeatedly.
fed up, tired, angry, disillusioned, mad I was so stupid and gullible thinking just because they knew some of the bible they were right and then, after baptism, they did a bait and switch to the org as my "saviour" before I could see it coming, tying me to all kinds of restrictions (including my worldly family ) and made laws to keep congregation and org "clean" yet hiding their money and child abuse scheming behind closed NDA's.
Not to mention the selling off of halls that were donated and upkept by publishers who had NO SAY in the profits derived from the sales which are still ongoing.
wash, rinse and repeat
take for example revelation 21: 10. .
“….and he showed me the holy city jerusalem coming down out of heaven from god.
here john sees something happening, action.
extrapolating 1000 years to the one day, Jesus would be gone only 82 years since first century in "space" time
41.67 years x 2centuries = 82 years ( 3 minutes would be 2.08 years)
SO: looking at Jesus reference, there has been little time between there and now - a life time for us. But then there is the measurement of time by the Jewish folk, so it may be close but who really knows
