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  does the watchtower still believe this?

  by lastchance in

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  questions from readers ?

  some animals have characteristics that seem especially suited to killing, such as lions and poisonous snakes.

  how can this be, if they were all vegetarians at one time?l.

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  sseveninches

  This thread is shaking any beliefs I had left to their core, because all the points made make so much sense.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-19-2012 WT Review (SERVICE)

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  gods servants = only jws.

  with the people of god rather.

  dedicated servants of jehovah only jws.

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  My mother took this opportunity to slam me for not doing more. She says I don't go out in field service enough, I don't have enough zeal, and I don't encourage others to go out. Even before I learned TTATT, she was saying these things, but not like today. She stole a whole hour of my time for this.

  You know what? She's right. I don't do enough, because I don't want to do anything (for the WT) at all. It's not "the truth" like she thinks it is, and thus I have no motivation to continue what I was doing.

  Sadly she's what you'd call a hardcore JW, and so this is just the start of a lot of torment for me. I don't know how much more pressure I'll be able to take before I tell her what's troubling me, and I still have at least a year to go until I move out.
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  Adventures In Freaking Out My JW Friends

  by SophieG in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  *hi guys!

  just sharing this across the forums*.

  i drove one of my jw friends crazy.

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  sseveninches

  From the WT's own publications: Being “the spirit of the truth,” God’s holy spirit could never be the source of error but would protect Christ’s followers from doctrinal falsehoods. (Compare 1Jo 2:27; 4:1-6. - Insight, Volume 2, pg. 1132
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  Adventures In Freaking Out My JW Friends

  by SophieG in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  *hi guys!

  just sharing this across the forums*.

  i drove one of my jw friends crazy.

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  sseveninches

  You are always told what to think, it’s constantly repeated for emphasis, you can’t have a thought that questions this and if you do, you are a bad servant of Jehovah. I asked her: I thought we were supposed to test the inspired sayings and make sure of what is true? So wait... when I am doing what the bible says I CAN do I am a bad person???

  This thought came to me during a recent meeting, and I couldn't get my mind off of it. It's a pure violation of what the Bible says, but no one can see it.
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  Our "Spiritual Mother"

  by bruh2012 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in case you missed it --this years dc pointed out that jw's need to direct people to (direct quote) "our spiritual mother the organization" !!!.

  jehovah being our father and the organization being our spiritual mother!

  i guess we all knew that the society was always "mother" huh..

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  sseveninches

  I've certainly been hearing it a lot more ever since it was said at the convention.
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  How to make your exit with minimal pain while still living at home with your parents

  by sseveninches in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as requested, i've made a new thread with the info i posted on a previous thread.

  this is intended for young jws who have woken up from their anesthesia but still cannot move, or in other words, have learned ttatt but are still living with parents and are afraid of getting kicked out if they make their opinions/findings known.

  i am included in this group of people, because i myself still live at home with parents.

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  afreeman, you have a PM.

  To all who are out already, thanks a lot for your well wishes. It's really tough to be in field service, at social gatherings, at assemblies, etc. when you know the real truth. Sometimes I just want to scream out IDIOTS!
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  Is Fading Emotionally Taxing?

  by Aware! in

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  2. friends

  i don't think i could handle a fade.

  sooner or later the truth would be found out.

  i have yet to come out, but when i do, i'll probably da myself without telling anyone why.

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  Aware, I've sent you a PM.

  Also, I once thought that being in school for four years wouldn't get me appointed also, or that the elders were waiting for me to finish school. Either way, I was wrong, and I think it's because of a translation issue, which explains why the attitudes toward college vary. In english, going to college is referred to as "higher education", whereas in French, it's referred to as "grandes études", which literally means "long studies" in English. So because of the way it's translated, I (as well as most other French-speaking JWs, and maybe other languages too) thought of it as longer than normal college education - something like 5 years or longer. I saw the BOE letter that covered this though, and that cleared things up pretty quickly.
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  How to make your exit with minimal pain while still living at home with your parents

  by sseveninches in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as requested, i've made a new thread with the info i posted on a previous thread.

  this is intended for young jws who have woken up from their anesthesia but still cannot move, or in other words, have learned ttatt but are still living with parents and are afraid of getting kicked out if they make their opinions/findings known.

  i am included in this group of people, because i myself still live at home with parents.

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  JGNAT - that's a really good and important one, I regret not thinking of it while I was creating the post..
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  How to make your exit with minimal pain while still living at home with your parents

  by sseveninches in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as requested, i've made a new thread with the info i posted on a previous thread.

  this is intended for young jws who have woken up from their anesthesia but still cannot move, or in other words, have learned ttatt but are still living with parents and are afraid of getting kicked out if they make their opinions/findings known.

  i am included in this group of people, because i myself still live at home with parents.

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  As requested, I've made a new thread with the info I posted on a previous thread. This is intended for young JWs who have woken up from their anesthesia but still cannot move, or in other words, have learned TTATT but are still living with parents and are afraid of getting kicked out if they make their opinions/findings known. I am included in this group of people, because I myself still live at home with parents. I have edited the info by adding new information.

  It's best to deal with your exit in phases. Taking immediate action may result in homelessness, or just a really difficult situation, especially if you're in college or haven't started college yet. Note that phases 3, 4, and 5 may overlap, or may be done out of order.

  Phase 1: Realize that "the truth" isn't really the truth. This is the period of shock, where you see that everything you've been taught is a lie. Reading up on JWfacts.org helps a lot with getting your facts straight.

  Phase 2: Start making plans to get out of the JW world. It's very likely that no matter how you approach your parents with your discoveries, nothing will work, except getting yourself kicked out. To keep yourself from getting kicked out, wait until you have a reliable source of income, and you willingly want to move out.

  Phase 3: Make some quality friends outside of the JW world. In the event that you were to be kicked out, you'll need a good friend to fall back on temporarily. Even if you aren't kicked out, you'll need some people to socialize with, to fill the newly created void.

  Phase 4: Start living the life you actually want to live, even if it's only partially. Once you learn TTATT, there are certain things that you couldn't do before out of fear and guilt that you'll now be able to do. Some things will have to wait until you move out, but not others.

  Phase 5: Stop making friends inside the JW world, and distance yourself from current friends. This may be a bit difficult, especially if there are already some close relationships established. Be careful not to spill the beans with such people, because they will try to get it out of you (and then subsequently rat you out).

  Phase 6: Keep other JWs' expectations of you low. If you aren't a high-profile brother or sister, keep it that way. It will be much easier to reduce your hours in field service, and perhaps miss a meeting or two here and there. If you are currently a high-profile brother or sister (regular pioneer, regular auxilary pioneer, MS, elder, committee member, etc.), it may be a little more difficult. Start by backing out of these roles one by one, citing personal issues, school, work, or whatever you can say that won't raise any suspicions about you. Another thing that can help is to make comments that are borderline controversial - things like how we should focus more on the bible and not on the publications, how going to college is beneficial, or what the WT views are on some things that aren't well known, like how voting isn't forbidden, but merely a conscience matter (1 November 1999, page 28-29, questions from readers). While what you are saying is right, the congregation heavies (and hence the WT) doesn't like people thinking for themselves, encouraging people to test their beliefs, getting educated, etc. They'll probably remove you from any roles for saying these things.

  Phase 7: Wait. The first few phases will happen rather quickly, but this is where you'll be crying out in agony on the inside, since it's the longest phase of them all. Most young JWs are stuck at this phase. The hyprocrisy, the lies, the JW-speak at social gatherings, the field service - it will all kill you inside. But you have to endure it if you want this "operation" to go as smoothly as possible.

  Phase 8: Move out. The time has come - you're an adult, graduated from college (ideally), with a decent job, and ready to have your own place. You will no longer be under your parents' control, but your own. You can come and go as you please, buy anything you want, wear anything you want, and do anything you want.

  Phase 9: Exit. How you want to exit is up to you. Just remember - no matter how you do it, you will be shunned. Leaving with your whole family is ideal, but it will most likely not happen. But if you have a decent social network outside of the JW world, it shouldn't bother you (much). You can either slowly exit, or just leave in one shot. Considering that you've spent so much time making your exit, leaving in one shot is the best option.
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  Knowing the Real Truth about the "truth" when you're stuck inside...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ...sucks.

  (warning: this could get lengthy but i have to vent and i could really use some advice).

  i know ttatt and have known about it for almost 2 years, yet i'm still stuck inside.

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  sseveninches

  I've learned that when you learn TTATT while living at home with parents, the best way to get out of it is to deal with it in phases:

  Phase 1: Realize that "the truth" isn't really the truth. This is the period of shock, where you see that everything you've been taught is a lie. Reading up on JWfacts.org helps a lot with getting your facts straight.

  Phase 2: Start making plans to get out of the JW world. It's very likely that no matter how you approach your parents with your discoveries, nothing will work, except getting yourself kicked out. To keep yourself from getting kicked out, wait until you have a reliable source of income, and you willingly want to move out.

  Phase 3: Make some quality friends outside of the JW world. In the event that you were to be kicked out, you'll need a good friend to fall back on temporarily. Even if you aren't kicked out, you'll need some people to socialize with, to fill the newly created void.

  Phase 4: Start living the life you actually want to live, even if it's only partially. Once you learn TTATT, there are certain things that you couldn't do before out of fear and guilt that you'll now be able to do. Some things will have to wait until you move out, but not others.

  Phase 5: Stop making friends inside the JW world, and distance yourself from current friends. This may be a bit difficult, especially if there are already some close relationships established. Be careful not to spill the beans with such people, because they will try to get it out of you (and then subsequently rat you out).

  Phase 6: Wait. The first few phases will happen rather quickly, but this is where you'll be crying out in agony on the inside, since it's the longest phase of them all. Most young JWs are stuck at this phase. The hyprocrisy, the lies, the JW-speak at social gatherings, the field service - it will all kill you inside. But you have to endure it if you want this "operation" to go as smoothly as possible.

  Phase 7: Move out. The time has come - you're an adult, graduated from college (ideally), with a decent job, and ready to have your own place. You will no longer be under your parents' control, but your own. You can come and go as you please, buy anything you want, wear anything you want, and do anything you want.

  Phase 8: Exit. How you want to exit is up to you. Just remember - no matter how you do it, you will be shunned. But if you have a decent social network outside of the JW world, it shouldn't bother you (much). You can either slowly exit, or just leave in one shot. Considering that you've spent so much time making your exit, leaving in one shot is the best option.