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  Expediente Padron v. Watchtower Bible y Tract Society of New York, Inc. Número de caso D070723

  by Blade R in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hello everyone,.

  excuse me but i do not speak english, my language is spanish, but i wanted to share this note that you received about the padrón case so that someone can summarize its content.. thankful in advance.. greetings.. http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=41&doc_id=2150357&doc_no=d070723&request_token=ociwlsikxkw%2bwybnscjdve5iufa6ukxbjcjewzhttdtncg%3d%3d.

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  shepherdless

  There must be someone else who is in a better position to explain, but the following is what I think it means, putting it in context.

  The case itself is ongoing, and still has not reached trial. The contempt order that the Borg pay $4000 per day was an interlocutory order, relating to the pre-trial releasing of the borg’s internal documents to the plaintiff for inspection. The Borg refused to provide a document or documents unredacted, and so the court issued an order that the Borg $4000 per day, until the document is provided.

  As everyone knows, the Borg appealed and lost. The $4000 per day stands. Perhaps there is an argument that the fine is suspended for the period of the appeal; I don’t know. In any event, it is a big fine.

  Now that the matter has been returned to the trial court, the pre-trial steps will continue. In parallel with that, the plaintiff can seek to enforce the $4000/day order. The plaintiff would not have to wait until the conclusion of the case to do that. The plaintiff can enforce, as of today.

  The process of enforcement varies from place to place. I have no idea what the process is in California, but most places, when it gets to this stage, it is fairly quick, and can lead to a physical seizure of assets, a winding up, or the appointment of an external administrator, if the amount is still not paid.

  So basically, the Borg has to pay the fine, and the case rolls on. I would expect the Borg will just pay a very large amount of money to confidentially settle the case, now.
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  Oprah For President!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i hope hollywood helps make her the democratic nominee.

  she sounds like she’s testing out the waters.

  good luck ms. winfrey.

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  shepherdless

  I have nothing against Oprah.

  But seriously????

  The Cult of Celebrity.

  Spot on.
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  Did electrical energy evolve or was it created?

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lt appears this topic has not been debated.energy has to come from something it doesn't come from nothing..

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  shepherdless

  I suppose I will bite.

  Did electrical energy evolve or was it created?

  It is formed as the result of numerous man-made and natural processes.

  Energy has to come from something it doesn’t come from nothing.

  Classical physics held that energy is never created nor destroyed; merely transformed from one form to another. This was known as the principle of conservation of energy. We have known for over 100 years that this is not universally true, but is true for most practical purposes.
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  Question about the Watchtower's Legal Team

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when they send their team of jw lawyers from bethel to various locations to argue the lawsuits against them, do they put them up in a hotel or do they make them stay with witness families?.

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  shepherdless

  In-house lawyers rarely appear in Court, to argue a case, in any organisation. They normally engage external lawyers (ie law firms, counsel, barristers) for that role. Watchtower probably does the same.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  shepherdless

  If someone came into this website and stated:

  “As a linguist trained to evaluate grammar within sentence structures within sentence structures, whose functions are complementary and contribute to a complex array of diverse way of expressing things, the design of the English language is found to be incredibly complicated. The thought that all of this beautiful, productive language which is now extending around the Planet, just came into existence without being created in one go, 1000 years ago, by one single extremely intelligent Englishman, is incomprehensible.”

  what would you think?
  
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  But a “talking snake” story is all tickey boo, with you, is it Old Navy?
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  shepherdless

  Here is a short video which may help:

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lIEoO5KdPvg
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  shepherdless

  Well, to start with, “micro evolution” and “macro evolution” are terms used by creationists.

  Also, the linear model of us evolving from a monkey or a chimp is incorrect. Rather, we had a common ancestor, about 3 to 5 million years ago. And it was not a simple fork in the road. There were numberous forks or branches, with many species that are now extinct. Some of our ancestors became (or remained adept) at surviving in a forest, whereas our direct ancestors were better surviving in grassland, and walked more and more upright.

  I will leave it to others to explain more.
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  The Perfect Storm in 2018?

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been sadly watching as the number of jws in other countries are decreasing (for the most part), while the numbers in the us are strangely increasing.

  while i question the organization's self reporting numbers, i think 2018 may be the year for another mass us exodus.

  leah remini's show will be focusing on jws in her show on a&e.

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  Decline, even in Europe, has only become visible, recently.

  The first stages of decline are when the average membership age increases, relative to the population. That has already started to happen in USA. Leaving aside the possibility of some sort of financial collapse, I doubt there will be any significant decline in USA this year. In fact, there is likely to be a few more flat years, first. And even when decline starts to show up in the numbers, it will be a tiny 1% for a few years. And while this decline is occurring, the seeds of a more rapid decline will be taking place, as it turns more fully into a club for the silver-haired, with no ability at the congregation level to connect with the younger generations.

  I know that is not what people want to read, and people here would like it all to happen more quickly, but I am trying to be realistic.
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  Anointed Delusions of Grandeur

  by Kohanic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so here is something i've been wondering about.

  how do the 'anointed' come to the conclusion that they are chosen?

  is it some weird collective delusion of grandeur and how is it manifested in such ones?.

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  Someone who thought he was anointed for 5 years, and then learned TTATT and then turned up on the jwrecovery website (which is no longer is online). He described how he came to believe he was anointed, and what eventually brought him to reality. It was an interesting read. A brave and humble poster, for a while. He went by the username goat-bone (or goat bone or goatbone). He also later made a few posts on the exjw reddit site. I haven’t seen a recent post. He’s probably moved on in life. Good for him.