Posts by twinkletoes

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Gred Stafford Not committed--too afraid of being DFd!

by cyberguy in

ive just completed the reading of greg staffords latest book, "the three dissertations on the teachings of jehovahs witnesses.

" although i appreciate his point-of-view overall, i find that his writing is often difficult to follow and at worst, not forthright on doctrinal issues.

basically, i find his writings rather anemic, hes just not forthright; he evidently doesnt want to be dfd!

twinkletoes

Sherwood

Thanks for posting the KM info. unlike johnny cip, I haven't read that before, and I'm sure that many new ones viewing this forum, will appreciate the contents.

Twink

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DID CHARITY EVER FIND YOU , AS A MEMBER OF THE BORG.

by nightwarrior in

i can honestly .

i can honestly say that i never saw the effects of love /care /consideration / especialy christian love ,but i did experience fickle type backbiting friendships /jealousy/and greed followed by me,ismn charity was never present.the need or concern for others not of the faith was totaly lacking , in retrospect we led our lives, only ocasionaly offering a few ponds to charitys, only if a collector pushed or shook a tin within your face ,.

the reason being that the kingdom work must come first regardless of all the inhuman suffering exploding around you, hunger starvation,death ,pain .

twinkletoes

Nightwarrior,

Your comments are spot on ! Yes, we were made to feel that the New System would be the answer to all of earth's woes and as such we were almost made to feel guilty if we supported any charity, and of course we always had to make sure that the charity was not in anyway related to Babylon the Great.

This sort of brainwashing took the humanity out of us, and in many cases left us appearing to be very cold people.

It's great now to feel free to show christian love without any strings attached.

Twink

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Strangest thing you were called on the carpet for.

by Icansaylucky in

i would like to hear some of the strangest or most ridiculous thing you got in trouble with the elders for.

here is mine.. back in the early 70's i was married at the age of 18, typical witness thing to do.

my husband who was 6 years older than i ruled me like a overly strict father.

twinkletoes

My husband was taken off the "Privilege" of carrying a microphone at meetings, 'cos he wasn't wearing a suit, he was in fact wearing jacket and trousers, but as they were of different material, it didn't count as a suit! How ridiculous can you get. We still can't believe that we were guillible to put up with all of the mind-controlling rules, dished out by these men (Men ?)

Twink

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quote search: recognize His people by their love

by Jacqueline in

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friends

i am desperately searching fo rthe bible qoute which tells you that you shall recognize his people by the love amongst themselves.. i have not found any love amongst any witnesses in our hall, never ever...and we have attended this hall for nearly 2 years.

i am still a study, my hubby grew up in the truth.

elders are coming over tomorrow night to discuss our lack of meeting attendance.

twinkletoes

Hi Jacqueline

I can assure you that the lack of love you speak of, is not specific to your congregation, I'm sure you know !

We have found it here in our cong. too. For example, a disabled sister has had to sit in a draughty downstairs foyer (the main hall is up stairs with no means for disabled to get there - no lift, no chairlift etc.) She has sat in that room for over 6 years , most of the time accompanied by one or two others (at the most) she has now decided not to go to meetings anymore, and is now being shunned.

They are a cruel and heartless lot, believe me, you and your husband are better off out of there !

Keep us informed

love from Twink

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What IS Gods name anyway?

by NikL in

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friends

i am sure this topic has been brought up many times here but i don't always have the oppertunity to read all the posts so i am going to raise it again.. i went to the meeting the other day with my wife and this came up in the talk.

the speaker saying how improtant it was to have the right bible to get the most out of bible reading.

the right bible being the nwt of course because it uses the divine name which we all know is jehovah...or yahweh.

twinkletoes

What about the words Jesus said when he was in agony on the Cross (torture stake etc.) Didn't he cry out My God My God why have you forsaken me. Surely, Jesus would have used God's name at that critical time, if it was necessary?

The JWs try to make you think that they are the only ones using God's name (which of course isn't true) just as they try to make you believe that the JWs are specially chosen as they have the faithful and discreet slave class, and I think that anyone who reads Crisis of Conscience will soon come to realise that the FD class do not exist.

Twink

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Question: ONLY ANOINTED ARE UNFORGIVABLE ?

by Liberty in

minimus got me to thinking in his thread about the unforgivable sin and judging apostates.

i hope someone with a clearer memory than mine can confirm or deny what i remember.

i have some vague memory that the society taught that only members of the "anointed class" (144,000) could commit the unforgivable sin against the the holy spirit because only they had been called by it personally and, therefore, only they could reject it consciously and willfully.

twinkletoes

Yes I definately remember that teaching, but it always was one of those doctrines, that I never could accept. I don't know if the teaching has changed on that issue now. Sorry not much help there.

TWINK

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what to believe now?

by christopherceo in

this is my first time posting here or on any ex-jw forum but i want to know if anybody else is not sure what to believe anymore.

paradise on earth sounds great and it was drilled into me for 11 years, it's just kinda hard to shake.

what about armageddon?

twinkletoes

Welcome christopherceo

So glad that you have joined the forum. Many of us have asked that question and are still asking now,

I believed that I had the truth ( over thirty years as a JW), but what a shock to the system to realise that things

that we were taught were in fact, in many cases, lies.

I have bought a few different translations of the bible, and am now trying to actually read the bible more

often instead of WT & Awake mags and society literature as number one reading material.

You will find a lot of help on this forum, but it will take time to come to terms with what has happened

in your beliefs.

Look forward to hearing from you again

TWINK

Edited by - twinkletoes on 14 January 2003 15:18:20

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How long were you baptized until you left?

by YellowLab in

i'm interested to find out how long each of you were baptized until you decided to leave?.

i was baptized december, 1989 and left six years later.. if only i didn't get baptized in the first place, then i could tell my family how wonderful the holidays were!

yellowlab.

twinkletoes

We laughed at Gumby's joke :)

For me - it was 32 years

for KT - it was 29 years - having survived 29 yrs within the Org. the great tribulation is going to be a "doddle" !

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Info req'd - Cong. Charity Law

by KAYTEE in

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friends

happy new year to everyone .

is anyone able to help me with this enquiry?.

when was it that the individual congregations became a registered charity in their own right ?

twinkletoes

Expatbrit

Thanks for the information, I have checked out the Charity Commission links and the info wll be very useful.

The congregation's accounts were not prepared in the correct format (SORP - Statement of Recommended Practice) as they did not show the restricted income seperately, we pointed this out to the P.O. and he said it was a mistake and that it would show up in the next year's accounts, IT NEVER DID! We've heard the latest excuse is that when they became a charity in their own right in 1997, they seemed to think that they could change the restricted fund set-up as well, and as you have read in our earlier posts, they have lied to the Charity Commission about ever having a specific fund for a lift for the disabled.

Twink

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Ray Franz' Book

by JNS2 in

howdy, i'm new here.

21 years in & now about 1 year drifted away with no meetings for spiritual food other than the memorial.

so, in my brother's view i am either spiritually dead or the next thing to it.

twinkletoes

Hello JNS2

Although everything appears to have been said about Ray Franz and his books, I still want to add my little bit, I can never thank Ray enough for having the courage to write those books, and with so much humility and as a REAL christian, I was half-expecting a bitter man, but what a surprise. His insight into the Organisation and double standards etc. would have been impossible for the ordinary JW to ever find out.

We wrote a letter to Ray & Cynthia to thank them for the wonderful information, but did not expect a reply, and yet within one week he wrote back to us (and this was from USA to UK) and it was a very upbuilding letter, one which I will treasure. Quite the opposite to the local elders who came to visit and discuss our "doubts" - UN involvement, false prophecies, paedophiles etc. that was nearly three months ago and they still haven't got back to us !!

I'm sure that you will benefit greatly from Ray's books and of course the other books mentioned here too.

Twink