Sorry Mouthy - who is Gary Botting ? What was the book he wrote ?
Twink
when i was a jw -i heard gary botting being interviewed on radio (-he was not da or df) for writing this book -so i read it.... one of the sisters told me ( her hubby was an elder) i had been marked for reading it.
imagine my surprise when i read this weekend that his wife (heather)who wrote it with gary.
is now a pagan chaplain at the university of victoria she will lead dozens of students through a series.
Sorry Mouthy - who is Gary Botting ? What was the book he wrote ?
Twink
i've already exited the jws in mind and heart, and have read many comments from everyone about the book, so didn't really see the need to buy it for myself.
however, after reading something here on the forum, i decided to order it (and the tao of pooh and siddhartha.
) a super-dub sits two desks away from (she and her husband knew ray and his wife, had tea with them in their room when he was on the gb, etc.
So glad that you are reading this book. The eye-opening information in Ray's book was the last straw for me and my husband ! We left the JWs after 30+ years of belonging to the cult !
Ray deserves every penny (or dime) he receives, he's a true christian in my opinion, and I recommend his books to everyone.
We bought both of his books not only for ourselves but also for some friends (now ex-JWs) they couldn't put the books down, and stayed up late every evening until they had finished reading them.
Twink
anything in particular, or was it a combination of things??
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Discovering the hypocrisy about the UN involvement - just couldn't believe it at first !! It took one whole year to verify all the information, along with other falsehoods, 607bce etc. Then the final straw was reading Ray Franz's books.
We always felt that the problems within our congregation were the elders, but always made excuses saying it probably wasn't too bad in other congregations - that was until we came on this board and realised just how widespread the problem really was.
Twink
.....in life?
do you still have hope?
are you truly much happier?
So much better, although I don't know what I believe in anymore.
One of the good things, since coming out of the JWs after 32 years, is that I have been in touch with two of my friends from my school days and we have met a couple of times recently,(they still live in Manchester and I am in Hereford (UK)). Its been over 40 years since I last saw them and it now seems as if we were never apart. One had been studying with the witnesses, and so I was able to shed some light on the UN, paedophiles etc. She doesn't study with them anymore !
During the years as a witness, I took on board the admonition - what sharing does light have with darkness, and bad associations spoil useful habits.......this was the reason for not keeping in touch with friends who were "wordly", but I have now realized that they are much better christians than all the so called JW friends who now shun me.
Twink
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in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.. 2. and darkness was upon the face of the deep; this was due to a malfunction at the lots road power station.. 3. and god said, let there be light; and there was light, but eastern electricity board said he would have to wait until thursday to be connected.. 4. and god saw the light and it was good; he saw the quarterly bill and it was not good.. 5. and god called the light day, and the darkness he called night, and so passed his gcse.. 6. and god said, let there be a firmament and god called the firmament heaven, freephone 999.. 7. and god said, let the waters be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear, and in london it went on sale at six hundred pounds a square foot.. 8. and god said, let the earth bring forth grass, and the earth brought forth grass and the rastafarians smoked it.. 9. and god said, let there be lights in heaven to give light to the earth, and it was so, except over england where there was heavy cloud and snow over high ground.. 10. and god said, let the seas bring forth that that hath life, flooding the market with fish fingers, fishburgers and grade-three salmon.. 11. and god blessed them, saying, be fruitful, multiply, and fill the sea, and let fowl multiply on earth where prince charles and prince philip would shoot them.. 12. and god said, let the earth bring forth cattle and creeping things, and there came cows, and the bbc board of governors.. 13. and god said, let us make man in our own image, but woe many came out like spitting image.. 14. and he said, let man have dominion over fish, fowl, cattle and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.. 15. and god said, behold, i have given you the first of the free yielding seed, to you this shall be meat, but to the ec it will be a beef mountain.
Thanks Gadget -- that was so funny. Spike was great, I loved his sense of humour!
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in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.. 2. and darkness was upon the face of the deep; this was due to a malfunction at the lots road power station.. 3. and god said, let there be light; and there was light, but eastern electricity board said he would have to wait until thursday to be connected.. 4. and god saw the light and it was good; he saw the quarterly bill and it was not good.. 5. and god called the light day, and the darkness he called night, and so passed his gcse.. 6. and god said, let there be a firmament and god called the firmament heaven, freephone 999.. 7. and god said, let the waters be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear, and in london it went on sale at six hundred pounds a square foot.. 8. and god said, let the earth bring forth grass, and the earth brought forth grass and the rastafarians smoked it.. 9. and god said, let there be lights in heaven to give light to the earth, and it was so, except over england where there was heavy cloud and snow over high ground.. 10. and god said, let the seas bring forth that that hath life, flooding the market with fish fingers, fishburgers and grade-three salmon.. 11. and god blessed them, saying, be fruitful, multiply, and fill the sea, and let fowl multiply on earth where prince charles and prince philip would shoot them.. 12. and god said, let the earth bring forth cattle and creeping things, and there came cows, and the bbc board of governors.. 13. and god said, let us make man in our own image, but woe many came out like spitting image.. 14. and he said, let man have dominion over fish, fowl, cattle and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.. 15. and god said, behold, i have given you the first of the free yielding seed, to you this shall be meat, but to the ec it will be a beef mountain.
Thanks Gadget
if you'd be interested in donating $us10.00 or anything at all to a campaign fund for vicki please say so here.
this will help determine how strongly we can offer vicki support.. i'll start it off.
i'm willing to donate $us10.00 to the fund.. thanks.. dansk
Count us in too!
Twink and Kaytee
good idea Dansk
how's the weekend going?
mrs ozzie and i have been very busy with friends.
had a drive in the countryside today and stopped at an english-style pub, replete with large beer garden where we had a great meal-- more like a feast, really; you know how generous the pub meals can be!
Hello Mr & Mrs Oz.
Sounds like a great weekend, isn't it good to have time on Saturdays and Sundays to actually enjoy life !
Definately NOT No.1
3. Back row - well in fact we always sat in the foyer downstairs (where the disabled had to sit, cos we didn't have a lift) Main Hall was upstairs We always referred to it as the GOQ (get out quick!)
10. Left (after 32 years being it to be the truth) after discovering the UN scandal and then all the other things.
Twink & KT
i have noticed so many new ones just lately and wonder how many are registered on this forum now.
i used to take great interest in the rise in numbers each week with the old style forum, am i not looking in the right place ?.
twink
I have noticed so many new ones just lately and wonder how many are registered on this forum now. I used to take great interest in the rise in numbers each week with the old style forum, Am I not looking in the right place ?
Twink
recently i have started looking more indepth at the un situation.
is the following true: .
1. the watchtower first became a ngo .
I will shortly be posting some letters and an email which were sent to us last year, from the United Nations, We had telephoned the UN from England, but still needed actual proof in "black & white" about their status as an NGO. In the letter they asked us to let our concerned "colleagues" know the situation, as they were unable to answer the scores of requests they were receiving, at that time they had had over 600 telephone calls from JWs wanting to know if it really was true.
Please watch this space!
Twinkletoes