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Twinkletoes
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Twinkletoes
have posted this on the other thread but just making this one as well:
i need to let you know that dad passed away this morning at 8am.
he fought so hard but in the end they could not get his blood pressure to rise and he died of heart failure.
Stephanie,
Such awful hearbreaking news - Your dad was such a lovely person and as others have said, he was an inspiration for many trying the leave the Cult. He accomplished many good things and will be missed by us all.
We will try to be there at the funeral, please keep us informed.
Thinking all you all at this tragic time.
Love from Pauline and Ken in Hereford
now i got your attention......(i'm gambling on those who remember these) when were you there?
what years?
and what do you remember........ they all seem like such a big part of my history.
I used to be in the Thornton Heath (Surrey) cong. and went to Crystal Palace, even helped clean the stadium !
Also went to Twickenham and Dorking a number of time (all during the seventies)
The main thing that I remember was just how difficult it was to keep awake, esp in the afternoons.
Twinkletoes
it was the same weekend that my mom and dad, to my surprise, agreed to meet with me.
i was in midland, michigan, about a month ago, only an hour or so from where they live.
in the airport on monday morning, in walked john, someone i remembered well from the jw congregation of my youth.
I just wanted to say THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT RESPONSE. You certainly must have spent a lot of time composing the letter.
I know how frustrating it can be when you come across JWs and inactive JWs who seem afraid to look into anything about the Organisation, unless they have been given permission! We too have come across the same situations - unfortunately my own brother is just the same. I gave him a copy of the letter that we had received from the United Nations regarding the Watchtower involvement for 10 years, and still he would not believe it.
Twinkletoes
when i first read about wts having "new ligth" on the 1914-generation issue in the newspaper i was shocked.
(some evil apostates had been helpful and informed the paper weeks before i got my november issues of the wt.).
my thoughts was.
Like most of the comments, I really can't remember much about this Generation change, and even less about the sorting of the sheep and the goats! What is that all about????
I was in the Org for over thirty years, but must have left my brain at home for that meeting!
It wasn't until we came across the UN scandal that the penny began to drop - now we're well and truly out from there
Twinkletoes
obviously, a unique aspect of the wt religion is the name it has chosen, "jehovah's witnesses.
jehovah this.
jehovah that.
Thank you Farkel, an excellent post.
bttt
twinkletoes
i am both new to this forum and new to the jehovah's witness organization.
i am currently about half way through the 'what does the bible really teach?
" and have been attending both sunday services and ministerial school for 3 months.. my biggest problem is that, being a researcher by nature, "verifying that all things are true," i have also been researching the organization which has stumbled me greatly.
Welcome Addagirl
You certainly have come to the right place to ask questions.
We (my husband & I) were in the JWs for over thirty years each, but we found out about the UN, and asked two elders about it, giving them both copies of the letters received directly from the UN, they never got back to us. We wrote to the London Bethel and the body of elders in the congregation, asking such questions re: UN, Failed Prophecies, Pedophilia in the Organisation and it's cover-up, U-turn on Blood etc. We never received a reply from them, a short time later we were disassociated, and are now totally shunned by everyone who knew us over all those years.
Listen to your own doubts, research further but get out of the cult before they take hold of you.
I look forward to hearing more from you
Twinkletoes
to a better place he needs out love more than ever now
Trevor - we are so very very sorry -
Twinkletoes and Kaytee
investigation: sects: children under influencechannel + proposes, within the framework its box investigation, monday october 8, 2007 at 8 p.m. 55, the document sects: children under influence.. .
the cameras penetrate in the secrecy of several sects established in france.. .
the authorities estimate that more than 8000 enfants< placed under the influence of these religious groups would be in danger.. .
Thanks FOKYC some of the pages didn't translate into English, unless it was me being impatient. Here is one page that translated ok, but now that I've pasted it here, parts of it have reverted to the original language. Canal Plus - Lundi Investigation - Sectes : enfants sous emprise Canal Plus-Monday-Investigation Sects: children under influence
CANAL PLUS / "LUNDI INVESTIGATION " CANAL PLUS / "MONDAY INVESTIGATION"
DOCUMENT EXCEPTIONNEL DIFFUSE LUNDI 8 OCTOBRE A 20H50. DOCUMENT EXCEPTIONAL DISSEMINATED MONDAY OCTOBER At 8:50 p.m. 8.
Chiffre à peine croyable : en France, 80 000 enfants seraient en danger dans des sectes. Turnover hard to believe: France, 80,000 children would be in danger in sects. C’est un numéro exceptionnel de Jeudi Investigation que CANAL+ propose le 8 octobre 2007, en première partie de soirée. It is an exceptional number of Investigation Thursday that CANAL + offers on October 8, 2007, in the first part of the evening.
En 75 minutes, ce documentaire, réalisé par Stéphane Haussy et produit par Story Box Press, nous plonge dans l’univers caché des sectes. In 75 minutes, this documentary, directed by Stéphane Haussy and produced by Story Press Box, plunges us into the hidden world of sects. Dans les Pyrénées, Tabitha’s place, une communauté fermée vit à l’écart du monde. In the Pyrenees, Tabitha's place, a closed community living outside the world. Officiellement c’est un paradis pour fervents chrétiens. Officially it is a paradise for devout Christians. Mais la réalité est tout autre... But the reality is quite different ... Nous avons réussi à partager leur quotidien pendant quelques jours en caméra cachée. We were able to share their daily for a few days hidden camera.
Notre journaliste a retrouvé une famille d’anciens adeptes et recueilli leur témoignage exclusif. Our reporter has found a family of former followers and their testimony obtained exclusive. Les enfants eux-mêmes racontent pour la 1ere fois. Children themselves are telling for the first time. Des enfants coupés du monde, non scolarisés et qu’on maltraite au nom de Dieu. Children are cut off from the world, we are not in school and abusive in the name of God. Une prison sans portail. A prison without portal. Car pour les enfants, pas besoin d’être enfermés pour subir une pression psychologique... Car for children, need not be confined to undergo psychological pressure ...
Près de 50000 enfants seraient concernés au sein des Témoins de Jéhovah, une communauté ouverte au monde. Nearly 50,000 children are involved in the Jehovah's Witnesses, a community open to the world.
Au cours de notre enquête, nous avons également découvert des affaires présumées de pédophilies qui n’auraient pas été signalées aux autorités et seraient gérées par des comités de justice interne. During our investigation, we also found cases of alleged pedophiles that have not been reported to the authorities and would be managed by committees of justice. Là encore, les victimes, mineurs à l’époque, racontent ce qu’elles ont subi mais fait nouveau, d’anciens responsables des Témoins de Jéhovah en France et aux Etats-Unis expliquent comment la hiérarchie des Témoins de Jéhovah leur aurait demandé de ne pas parler de ces affaires. Again, the victims, minors at the time, tell what they have suffered, but again, former leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses in France and the United States on how the hierarchy of the Jehovah's Witnesses would have required them to not to mention those cases.
Voir en ligne: Investigation - Sectes : des enfants sous emprise -Canal Plus . See online: Investigation - Sects: children under grip -Canal Plus.
investigation: sects: children under influencechannel + proposes, within the framework its box investigation, monday october 8, 2007 at 8 p.m. 55, the document sects: children under influence.. .
the cameras penetrate in the secrecy of several sects established in france.. .
the authorities estimate that more than 8000 enfants< placed under the influence of these religious groups would be in danger.. .
Channel + proposes, within the framework its box investigation, Monday October 8, 2007 at 8 p.m. 55, the document “Sects: children under influence”.
The cameras penetrate in the secrecy of several sects established in France.
The authorities estimate that more than 8000 enfants< placed under the influence of these religious groups would be in danger.
In spite of the discretion desired by these organizations, the journalist Stephan Haussy succeeded in observing many problematic situations.
He went to powerful Témoins of Jéhovah.
But it also managed to infiltrate in the middle of “Tabitha' S places”, a singular extremely closed community.
There, it observed and deciphered the daily newspaper of followers with which one affirms that they are installed within a paradise for the Christians.
The question of the way of life to which the children are compelled is tackled without turning.