JW doctrines day that first God (who never had a beginning) made Jesus the firstborn of all creation. Together they made other spirit creatures all who had free will.
Jesus was the master worker but they all worked on the creation of the universe. Then finally they made humans.
They say the Bible says the Satan challenged the right to rule in Eden. He implied that independent rule from God would be better.
The illustration is that a rebellious student challenged the teacher at least by implying that his was not the best way.
God the teacher could throw him out of the class, but then the rebellious ones could claim they were right.
So he lets them try it their way. They have to be given enough time so that nobody can claim in the future that if they had longer then independent rule from God could work
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I do not understand the universal issue anymore
by psyco into explain the universal issue we are often referring to a teacher and his/her students.. let us imagine that a teacher (god) has an hour (everlasting) class to show his students (humans and angels) how to fix a broken clock (to reign).. one student (adam) says he is able to fix it better independently, without the teacher's help (universal issue).. the teacher let him demonstrate that in front of all the others, but instead of an hour lesson he gives him only 5 minutes (death after a limited period of time) and he blocks one of the student's hands behind his back (imperfection).. if i were one of the other students watching i could think: but those were not the initial conditions the student was in when he said he could, and what would have happened leaving him more time and both hands free?.
am i crazy?.
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A Jehovah's Witness in a relationship with a non-Jehovah's Witness
by KShelton inmy name is kevin shelton.
my wife is a jehovah's witness.
my two children are jehovah's witnesses.
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It is relevant.
It is absolutely relevant if he feels it’s ok for 13 year old to be sleeping around.
Does he have high moral standards like the JWs no sex before marriage or does he think it’s ok to experiment. This is absolutely relevant to what we are discussing here.
I maintain if you stay close to Bible principals you are well protected against all kinds of problems especially from a young age.
this is relevant and this is exactly what is being discussed here.
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A Jehovah's Witness in a relationship with a non-Jehovah's Witness
by KShelton inmy name is kevin shelton.
my wife is a jehovah's witness.
my two children are jehovah's witnesses.
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@Stephane
I have to say I strongly disagree with you
suggeting he ends his marriage just because she has a different view on the Bible.
You said it’s not complicated yes it’s not, you are very wrong.
How would you feel if they split up after 14 years of marriage and you were a big part of that?
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A Jehovah's Witness in a relationship with a non-Jehovah's Witness
by KShelton inmy name is kevin shelton.
my wife is a jehovah's witness.
my two children are jehovah's witnesses.
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Do you see my point about this brining frustration with hormones and all?
This is why I think the Bibles advice is very good wait until past the bloom of youth when hormones stabilise and you are more mature
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I do not understand the universal issue anymore
by psyco into explain the universal issue we are often referring to a teacher and his/her students.. let us imagine that a teacher (god) has an hour (everlasting) class to show his students (humans and angels) how to fix a broken clock (to reign).. one student (adam) says he is able to fix it better independently, without the teacher's help (universal issue).. the teacher let him demonstrate that in front of all the others, but instead of an hour lesson he gives him only 5 minutes (death after a limited period of time) and he blocks one of the student's hands behind his back (imperfection).. if i were one of the other students watching i could think: but those were not the initial conditions the student was in when he said he could, and what would have happened leaving him more time and both hands free?.
am i crazy?.
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Is Satan perfect?
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A Jehovah's Witness in a relationship with a non-Jehovah's Witness
by KShelton inmy name is kevin shelton.
my wife is a jehovah's witness.
my two children are jehovah's witnesses.
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
I notice you have a 14 year marriage and a 13 year old son, you may not want to answer this but did you remain chaste before your wedding day?
Sorry for too personal question you don’t have to answer.
The point I was making is that it can be very difficult if not impossible for a boy and girl who like each other spend lots of time together and not start kissing and touching. Once you have kissed that’s it the body will be frustrated if you go ahead and get your body ready for something it doesn’t get, I mean then deny going further.
The Bible says you can’t hold fire and not get burnt.
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A Jehovah's Witness in a relationship with a non-Jehovah's Witness
by KShelton inmy name is kevin shelton.
my wife is a jehovah's witness.
my two children are jehovah's witnesses.
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ExBethelitenowPIMA
This may not be relevant but do you really think 13 year olds should be getting into relationships at this age?
The hormones are crazy at this age so unless you don’t mind them experimenting sexually then maybe it’s not a good idea?
What happens if she gets pregnant are they really ready to have a family? Of course not at 13.
You may be thinking they won’t be doing anything like that but here is my point. The hormones are crazy and will bring frustration
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I do not understand the universal issue anymore
by psyco into explain the universal issue we are often referring to a teacher and his/her students.. let us imagine that a teacher (god) has an hour (everlasting) class to show his students (humans and angels) how to fix a broken clock (to reign).. one student (adam) says he is able to fix it better independently, without the teacher's help (universal issue).. the teacher let him demonstrate that in front of all the others, but instead of an hour lesson he gives him only 5 minutes (death after a limited period of time) and he blocks one of the student's hands behind his back (imperfection).. if i were one of the other students watching i could think: but those were not the initial conditions the student was in when he said he could, and what would have happened leaving him more time and both hands free?.
am i crazy?.
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That’s not the illustration the JWs use.
They say the Bible says the Satan challenged the right to rule in Eden. He implied that independent rule from God would be better.
The illustration is that a rebellious student challenged the teacher at least by implying that his was not the best way.
God the teacher could throw him out of the class, but then the rebellious ones could claim they were right.
So he lets them try it their way. They have to be given enough time so that nobody can claim in the future that if they had longer then independent rule from God could work
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Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inthe situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.
or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.
it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.
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Peaceful Pete did you think back in high school one day they would find something that would prove the theory of evolution?
I have given up hope now, I think if there was something to be found it would have been found by now.
If it all happened of bullion of years the there should be evidence.
But no, all fossils of creatures not extinct yet are exactly the same as current species. There is no evidence of evolution in the fossil record.
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Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inthe situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.
or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.
it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.
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peacefulpete34 minutes ago
If evolution could be proved then it should be very simple and easy to prove.
My TV is real but don't expect a simple easy explanation for how it works
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It is easy to prove your TV didn’t come about by chance🤭