joseph f. alward, posted the following:.
i believe there are many on this forum who are not aware of the many online bibles from which they could almost effortless copy verses to paste into their arguments.
when one refers to a particular verse in a particular book, few readers have the patience to go seach through the whole book.
True, AM
BTW, Crosswalk is the same as "Bible Gateway"
Personally, I like "The Unbound Bible" better, because I think it has more relevant resources -- but Gateway/Crosswalk/Gospelcom/Blueletter is the "Unofficial" site for Promise Keepers, so it stays pretty high on my list
joseph f. alward, posted the following:.
i believe there are many on this forum who are not aware of the many online bibles from which they could almost effortless copy verses to paste into their arguments.
when one refers to a particular verse in a particular book, few readers have the patience to go seach through the whole book.
Joseph F. Alward, POSTED THE FOLLOWING:
I believe there are many on this forum who are not aware of the many online Bibles from which they could almost effortless copy verses to paste into their arguments. When one refers to a particular verse in a particular book, few readers have the patience to go seach through the whole book.
The online source I use is called "Bible Gateway." It provides several different versions of the Bible, and offers word search, which is an indispensible tool for those who take their Bible research seriously.
To add to his recommendations, there are some additional Bibles and Versions available, here: http://xjw-central.com/bibles.html
http://xjw-central.com/bookstores.html
Includes links to sites which offer other amazing resources, such as
The Ray C. Stedman Library
LAMBERT DOLPHIN'S RESOURCE FILES
The Encyclopedia of New Testament Textual Criticism
Truth and Reason: Dedicated to the fact that faith in Jesus, the Son of God, is both True and Reasonable. Our faith in Christ is not a "maybe" thing. It is a fact as reliable as the daily rising of the sun. These links are intended to help you in your search for truth. For a list of the changes to the Truth and Reason Site, see the What's New page. For a list of pages around the Internet with links to Truth and Reason, see the Referer Links page.
Philologos: Authors include: Alfred Edersheim; Alexander Hislop; Cunningham Geikie; Edward Chamberlain; E.W. Bullinger; Frances Rolleston; Hannah Newman; John Bunyan; John Daniel; John Lightfoot; J.B. Lightfoot; Joseph Herrin; Just Another Christian; Louis Ginzberg; Sir Robert Anderson; W.M. Ramsay; and Other Online Books and Libraries
The Complete Works of Flavius Josephus
The Development of the Canon of the New Testament
collected and organized by Glenn Davis
And more
Keep the Faith
RAY
in the dialogue below, jesus scoffs at peters claim that he will give his life for jesus.
he tells peter that before the sun comes up in the morning--before the rooster crows--peter would that very night pretend he did not even know jesus.. .
readers should note especially that in the john passage below, jesus is predicting that the rooster would not crow until after peter has denied knowing jesus three times.. .
Rev writes,
quote:
By the way, while I am an avid defender of the KJV, I would add that anyone who attempts to do "apologetics" using the KJV as the SOURCE is either lazy or ignorant
That's an interesting statement. What source do you use? Do you believe it has no errors, inconsistencies, or contradictions?
More than one, INCLUDING KJV and TR . . .
Also the Apostolic and Ante-Nicene Fathers, and more. I have a library . . .
Sure there are bound to be statements that seem on the surface to be "errors, inconsistencies, and [even] contradictions," (most scholars would use the term "variances"). There are about 13,000 known manuscripts containing portions of the New Testament, and almost none of them are exactly the same. Most variance is attributed to human factors consistent with the fact that the MSS were copied by hand. Philip Comfort's "Early Manuscripts & Modern Translations" of the New Testament covers variance very well …I'd recommend it as a good read, as is F. F. Bruce's "The Books and the Parchments : How We Got Our English Bible," "The Defence of the Gospel in the New Testament," and "The English Bible : A History of Translations from the Earliest English Versions to the New English Bible."
There seems to be general consensus that most of the places in the text where there are variances involve matters that have no relevance to doctrine … certainly any criticism that arises out of theses usually-trivial textual inconsistencies must be attributed to the scribe, not to the "speaker."
in the dialogue below, jesus scoffs at peters claim that he will give his life for jesus.
he tells peter that before the sun comes up in the morning--before the rooster crows--peter would that very night pretend he did not even know jesus.. .
readers should note especially that in the john passage below, jesus is predicting that the rooster would not crow until after peter has denied knowing jesus three times.. .
As to the first question: "How do you know . . . "
Read it in a book, somewhere
As to question 2, there isn't any source I know of that will answer your question, so I coujld only answer you speculatively. Perhaps either Peter, James or John stayed awake long enough to overhear part of His prayer, and THEY reported what they'd heard Him say. For me, it's not important how he knew.
Keep the Faith
RAY
in the dialogue below, jesus scoffs at peters claim that he will give his life for jesus.
he tells peter that before the sun comes up in the morning--before the rooster crows--peter would that very night pretend he did not even know jesus.. .
readers should note especially that in the john passage below, jesus is predicting that the rooster would not crow until after peter has denied knowing jesus three times.. .
In the first place, Mark's account is based upon what Matthew reported TO Mark -- inasmuch as Mark was not an eyewitness to the events, as John was.
Secondly, the DATES of John's and Marks account differ by at least a decade -- probably longer, and in different settings to different audiences. (For example, John is looking back, at the end of his life, at his recollections of his experience with Jesus.)
Thirdly, and most ikmportantly Peter denied Jesus and THEN the cock crowed. How many times and whether the crowing took place after the third denial or before does not negate the statement that the Lord made to Peter.
Furthermore, there is nothing in Jesus' statement to infer that it was meant to be interpreted as prophetic. A child could see that the main point that Jesus was making here was that Peter's opinion of himself was inflated, and -- in the end -- that he was going to respond in a typical human fashion, just like the others: but AFTER he came face to face with his own weakness he would be a powerful force in establishing the CHurch. THAT was the part that was prophetic, and the evidence that THIS prophecy was fulfilled was in Acts 2 and 4.
Acts 2:37 [LITV] And hearing, they were stabbed in the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men, brothers, What shall we do?
38 And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, each of you on the name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all those afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words he earnestly testified and exhorted, saying, Be saved from this perverse generation.
41 Then truly the ones gladly welcoming His Word were baptized. And about three thousand souls were added that day.
Acts 4:4 But many of those hearing the Word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.
By the way, while I am an avid defender of the KJV, I would add that anyone who attempts to do "apologetics" using the KJV as the SOURCE is either lazy or ignorant
Keep the Faith
RAY
dear all,.
as a young teenager, we were always having get-togethers.... you know the spiritually upbuilding' kind ie.
bible quizzies, really boring stuff.
See, you guys MISSED IT. ;~)
Back in the 60s we used to PARTY LIKE IT WAS 1999!!!
You couldn't tell a Witness party from any other.
As young adults, we got together to play cards, barbecue, dance and drink beer (do they still allow drinking?)
Fortunate to have NEVER had to endure any of the games such as you described. (23 years in; 28 out)
Plus, we went to the same night clubs as "The WORLD," every Friday evening!
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RAY
what happened to it?
i never see anybody doing it anymore!
are they geting more ashamed if there peers from work and the neighors see them?.
I posted yesterday, on one of the other threads, that here they prefer "Drive-by Field Service" where one of the Pubs drives tha car and the other one holds the mags out of the window.
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RAY
it's a shame , but its probably true, i bet there are more ex-witnesses (those who are dis'ed or dont go anymore)who still believe its the truth than those who don't.. what do you think?
One thing's fer sher . . .
They's probably more ***ex***-JWs than there are JWs
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RAY
was expecting a girlfriend over this morning - rushed to the door when bell rang.
to my surprise/horror, there were 2 jws ... apparently when my mother was visiting last summer, she had mentioned to these "sisters" to come stop by every once in a while, to encourage me to go to meetings.
they were inviting me to the special talk this sunday ... i politely told them, thanks for the invitation but i already had plans for sunday (sleeping in) ... i don't want to be rude, b/c these 2 particular women are pleasant (it could very well be a farce) but how do i get across to them that i do not wish to be visited in the future?
Well, at least YOURS get out of their cars . . .
Here in Detroit, they have "Drive by field service" runs -- where the lazy ones just pull ujp in an automobile, and the passenger offers the mags out out of the window!!!
Keep the Faith
RAY
"it only takes a moment.
a moment of sanity.
clarity.
I was at the summer District Convention -- July 1974 -- smack dab in the middle of the 2:00 p.m. discourse.
The Holy Spirit spoke to MY spirit and said: "Get up and get out of here! You are not being fed! This is the same stuff you've been hearing all of your life, just rehashed over and over again. Get out of here, before you starve to death!" I got up, picked up my briefcase, walked out of the stadium. I have never looked back...
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RAY
