Actually, they don' have ANY kind of Salvation. If you look up the word in most WT indexes it will say, "see, Redemption" Jehovah's Witnseese do not teach a doctrine of Salvation.
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Salvation
by Ephesians6 inwhy is it that the dubs have two types of salvation?
1 the faithful and discreat salves 2 the other sheep.
one goes to heaven and as holy spirit, and the other stays on earth and no spirit.
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Witnesses Just Want To Have Fun!
by Englishman inthere are hundreds and hundreds of permitted extra-curricular activities for jw's to enjoy.
activities that have nothing to do with religion or worship where jw's can really have a ball!.
so, for all of you people who sometimes wonder if you should perhaps go back, lets all list the permitted fun things that any witness can do in his / her spare time.. i'll get the ball rolling:.
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Softball
Snowball Fights
Wedding Receptions (BIG time keggers!)
Basement parties. Well ... in the sixties ...
Card parties
BBQ
Wife Swapping (OOPS! Wasn't supposed to reveal THAT one!)
I'm KIDDING!!!!
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revdrjohnson
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-nj--jehovahswitnesse0726jul25.story
Former elder excommunicated for speaking out on sexual abuse
July 26, 2002, 2:27 AM EDT
DRAFFENVILLE, Ky. -- The Jehovah's Witnesses have expelled a former elder who publicly criticized the church's handling of child sexual abuse cases, the man said.
Bill Bowen of Draffenville said he was disfellowshipped after a brief hearing Wednesday night.
Bowen said Jeff Steen of Murray, one of three elders on the committee, called him Thursday morning, but Bowen told the elders to communicate with his attorney, Rush Hunt of Madisonville, and hung up. Bowen said Steen then called Hunt and said Bowen had been disfellowshipped but provided no other information.
Neither Steen nor the other elders on the panel _ George Bandarra of Murray and Ron Carey of Central City _ returned phone messages.
Bowen has said the church protects pedophiles by not reporting accusations to police and encouraging victims not to go to authorities to discuss the matter with anyone in the congregation. The church has denied any wrongdoing and claims it follows the law.
Bowen said he plans to appeal the decision, made at a hearing that Bowen had asked be rescheduled and was held without him. Bowen said he was across the street from the Kingdom Hall and the elders locked the door and blocked the windows. He added that the three elders appeared to be the only people present.
"The thing they have nailed to the wall is that they require two eyewitnesses before a child molester may be convicted" in the church, Bowen said. "I have flatly denied these charges against me, and they brought no witnesses against me. It's a vast inconsistency in the organization. If I was a child molester, they wouldn't have had a hearing. Because I'm a person who spoke out to protect children, they disfellowship me in 30 minutes."
Bowen said he received the return receipt from a letter Hunt mailed asking that the meeting be rescheduled so that his witnesses, coming from all over the country, could attend.
"They've stepped over about all their protocols, so I think they'll ignore my request for an appeal," Bowen said.
Being disfellowshipped requires members to shun the person who has been expelled.
"From my standpoint, the real crime is not disfellowshipping me," Bowen said. "The real crime is, now they're going to silence anyone in the organization who needs help or support. They will face disfellowshipping for logging onto the Web site."
Bowen, who started a support group on the Internet for abuse victims, said visitors to the site are split about evenly between current and former members.
Bowen is the fourth Jehovah's Witness disfellowshipped this year for speaking out on the issue, following Barbara Anderson, of Normandy, Tenn., and Carl and Barbara Pandelo, of Belmar, N.J.
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On the Net:
Abuse victims: www.silentlambs.orgCopyright 2002, The Associated Press
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Before you open that door....
by Bona Dea inthings that you definitely will not learn upfront: (and again, this is just a few...).
fight against independent thinking.
6-8-1986, page.9 would that all were prophets!.
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revdrjohnson
WOW!
Excellent work!
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How many ex-JWs out there?
by EXJWBrit inok, i'm really green.
i heard about this site because of a link on the bbc website due to the paedophile stuff.
i'm a little confused.
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revdrjohnson
I'm angry about what happened to me but also a little comforted by the fact that there are so many others who have similar stories to me!
(I've said this before, on other posts ...)
BIG CHANGE from 1974 -- when I left-- that there are probably close to 100 XJW sites, including this one. There are more than 6,500 active members here, as well. www.freeminds.org has lots of personal stories about people who have had similar experiences to you. Also check out:
http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/links.html
http://www.freeminds.org/othrlink.htm
http://xjw-central.com/key.html
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After the JW's???
by Luther ini am an xjw and i have just discovered this interesting site.
i am curious to know if anyone of you has left the jws and joined anything else.
have any of you become christians?
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revdrjohnson
YUP ...
Me, too. I have been an ordained Minister in the Baptist Church for 24 years -- I started in Ministry just over 27 years ago ... about a year after I left
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What One Elder Is Saying About Dateline
by silentlambs ini recieved this email today i thought you might find it interesting.. dear bill: i have a question for you.
at book study last week, the conductor said that dateline's web site apologized for their show on jehovah's witnesses pedophiles because they had learned that the people interviewed on the show were "not who they claimed to be.
" i tried to find dateline's web site to see what they said but i was unable to do so.
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revdrjohnson
You already did!
It's not up to you to defend what clearly was a rumor! The mail from RIchard is as definitive as it gets!
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What's the "need" of this gathe...
by beroea ineven posting not so often, but with pleasure and feed-back as well, i do wonder why former-jw and i as well with my own subjects - have this "need" to gather and to discuss subjects related to wt.
some seams to use close to hours each days in front of the computer.
i don't see many other web pages of former-catholics or former members of other religions (not of my knowledge - i can be wrong).
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Well ...
28 years ago, when I came out there was NOTHING -- and NO ONE I could talk to ... And there were many days that I needed to vent to someone who could understand my plight 'cause they'd been through it too.
So I am thankful that we have the Internet -- and more than FIFTY places created specifically for us who have escaped the clutches of the b'ORG
Furthermore, it's refreshing to hear that so many made it out and are still relatively sane!
Finally ...
There are other support groups for ex-Roman Catholics, for ex-Mormons, for ex-Fundamentalists, and on and on and on ...
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have mercy...been waitin' on the bus all day...
by DanTheMan inmy car has been in the shoppe for the past 2 days, so i've been making my way around town by riding the city bus.
i actually like it quite a bit, and it is good on the conscience knowing that i am not contributing to global warming by using a 3000 pound carbon dioxide spewing vehicle to haul my 140 pound ass around town.
i am going to continue riding even after i get my car back.. anyways, i got on the bus yesterday, and lo and behold, the driver was a watchtowerist from my last congo.
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they drive the bus like it's a Formula One racer through morning traffic,
HEY!
I drove a bus for nine years, and we NEVER went an inch past 115 KM/H, unless there was ice on the pavement!!!
My favorite bust time memory, though, was the 'Drive-By' watchtower placement. I'm standin' at the stop when the car on the opposite side of the street passes and then does a U-Turn. As it approached the curb where I'm standing the passenger window starts to roll down. (In Detroit, when that happens you start looking for some bushes to dive into! )
Fortunately I noticed that instead of an Uzi, sister girl had a pair of the MAGs in her hand.
Never said a word, never really looked up ... when I said no they drove on.
MANNN we've got some lazy JWs, here!!!
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Fuel Pump Fire Danger
by revdrjohnson inthis was sent to us today, at ford engineering:.
the petroleum equipment institute is working on a campaign to try and make people aware of fires as a result of "static" (that is, static electricity) at gas pumps.
they have researched 150 cases of these fires.
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