Posts by Skepsis

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So, you want to become a Jehovah's witness?

by nowwhat? in

ok your bible study wants to get baptised.

make sure he is aware of what's involved.

here is a checklist.

Skepsis

What I see is that brothers and sisters don't preach as enthusiastically as before.

I can't remember the last time they knocked at my door. I recall 10 or 15 years ago that we invited to have coffee to brothers when preaching in the neighbourhood.

When I visit my mother's congregation where I grew up, I see the same brothers that have been there for years.

They're always speaking about the importance of preaching at WhatsApp groups but none of them are really preaching. Many are walking during weekend mornings, having breakfast until they get their 2 or 3 hours to report but that's not the way to convert someone.

Not to speak about carts! At first they were all volunteering and now they have problems to find brothers.

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2017 Convention Video Remember The Wife Of Lot

by pale.emperor in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0qpoelk2r4.

the dad in this is a total douche.

i dont know if the videos have become more judgemental and culty in the year since i left - or maybe im just noticing it more?.

Skepsis

I tried to watch it but I couldn't stomach. Maybe tomorrow.

I can see a trend of trying to separate even more JWs from worldly influence to keep them inside the Org, especially the young ones.

They softened the rules in the 1990s and 2000s and young ones escaped in great numbers. Now they want to limit the damage.

If they can't fix the theological mess they have without having a great exodus, they will increase the height of the wall between JWs and the world: more attacks on Higher education, shunning inactive ones, limiting even more association with non Witnesses, etc.

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How Far Up The Ladder Did You Go In JW Land?

by minimus in

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friends

i pretty much did it all.

vacation pioneered as a youngster and became a regular pioneer out of school.

i became a ms then an elder.....the organization pushes you to be somebody within the confines of their realm.

Skepsis

MS, Regular Pioneer for years, serving in foreign language congregations, public talks in all the area and even 250 kms away from where I live, parts in conventions, participating in Construction of KHs and maintenance and giving technical support remotely to Bethel for other parts of the country.. Man, how much time I lost serving this multi-billion organisation thinking I was doing for God!

Had I invested all that amount of time, and effort in other things, I would have advanced in a professional career and enjoy experiences normal people do when being young.

Cost of opportunity is so high!

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Mind Numbingly Boring To You?

by minimus in

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friends

i honestly think they are the most boring people on earth!

even when they produce their so called "new light", there's no excitement.

jws just do their thing and refuse to think about their useless lives.

Skepsis

Same thing one week after another for each month, each semester, each year, each decade... Yes, it seems a bit repetitive and boring. In fact, after six months attending meetings, you already have listened to all the information you will get in the rest of your life in the meetings.

But the most absurd situation is when you dress up, take the car and attend the meeting just to listen from platform a talk about the importance of attending meetings. It's a bit circular, isn't it?

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Most Popular Boys Name in England?

by cofty in

anybody want to guess?

for some years the office for national statistics tried to hide the answer by counting different spellings as different names.

it no longer matters.

Skepsis

I think things are not black or white.

I've been assigned for years to a foreign language congregation where most of the territory was composed by people from the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria), Lebanese...

Although it's true some of them are Muslim radicals, others are moderate who could be considered "cultural Muslims" and there are others who have migrated to Europe because they don't like the religious environment where they grow up.

I'm not so pessimistic about European future.

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"Privileges"

by minimus in

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within the organization, jehovah's witnesses know that they must be dutiful and set an example for "worldly ones" as well as for their own brotherhood.

if a witness fails in setting the proper example, they may lose some 'privileges"..... what privileges did you look to have and what privileges did you lose?

?.

Skepsis

What I've realised is that "privilege" is an euphemism for "free work".

You get the privilege of being a MS but that only means working free for the organisation without reward. And what is worst: spending your time in paperwork and bureaucracy.

If you get the privilege of being an elder, then you have more tasks to do. You are payed by portraying the title but you are giving your time, a precious time normal people would use to spend with their families, having hobbies or relaxing after a hard working day.

I can't see a difference between how you're treated by COs or elders and a secular manager. In fact, considered you are not paid the treatment is sometimes even worst.

That's the reason why those privileges are nowadays imposed on brothers even if they don't really want to be appointed. It's completely different than some years ago: now brothers don't reach to become elders or MS but they're pressured by existing elders as they cannot do all the work they already have and want to share work with others.

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Jehovah's Witnesses: DO THEY FACE REALITY

by TerryWalstrom in

article

1.the organization itself denies access to reality and substitutes its own version, interpretations, and meanings.

a.only watchtower approved publications are allowed.

Skepsis

Witnesses live in a parallel world, most of them because they are born-ins and couldn't choose for themselves.

They always listen to the same old song: The end is near, endure until the end... Since 7 to 77 years old. But the end never comes... Except the end of their own lives. OUR own lives.

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2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure

by pale.emperor in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.

no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.

instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .

Skepsis

Yesterday I rejected booking a hotel for the Convention this summer my congregation is assigned and told the elder I'm staying in my own area and would MAYBE go here.

But I think I will not attend this time. It'll be my first time not attending a Convention but all this nonsensical propaganda is too much for me.

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2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure

by pale.emperor in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.

no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.

instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .

Skepsis

If they are mentioning, it means they are into something. Maybe dropping 1914 or another important date?

I know a brother that lived during those time, one of the few in my area, a die-hard elder who is always pushing the young ones to pioneer and not attending higher education. I think the witness from that era that are still inside have invested so much in the religion that they will never quit.

But probably it could raise some questions to the young ones. They're planning something I guess.

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Leaving it all behind.

by Jazzbo in

i haven't been on an exjw site for months and months.

i frankly am way past the point where i define myself as an exjw, i am who i am and it doesn't have really anything to do with the way i was raised or spent a considerable portion of my life, i also refuse to be bound by witness requirements as to leaving, contact with witnesses, or some kind of responsibility to whack people who seem perfectly happy as witnesses over the head with 'the truth about the truth'.

i have recently run in to a few people that seems to simply obsess with their lives as witnesses and why they left and in some cases the way they were treated or mistreated, or the need to "do" something.

Skepsis

I suppose that would the dream of the GB and the high hierarchy of the WT, better know today as JW.ORG: that everyone quitting the religion stop talking about all the issues involved in the religion.

If no one spoke openly in sites like this one, some people like me would probably have last much longer until realising completely what kind of organisition it is.

Plus, there are many that even after abandoning physically and mentally the WT, they have to face with still in family.

In the long term, I agree it's mentally healthy to forget a past chapter in you life but circumstances may differ between each of us.