be on the lookout for a coming galatic war!.
these people definitely got visions.... http://www.mt.net/~watcher/stones.html
Oh my god, reading just a few paragraphs made my head hurt. This is just another example of what happens when people try to make science fit into religion. It just never ends up good.
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
i was once counselled by the elders for watching 'knots landing'....it became widely known in the congregation that me and a few other sisters would rush home from field service to watch our favourite soapie.
if we missed it, we would ring each other up for an update...or...if we weren't near a tv we would ask someone to put the phone handset on the top of their tv so we could hear it...pathetic huh...but that was all the excitement we could scrounge up in our otherwise dull and uneventful lives.
one of the elder's wive's conscience got the better of her...and she confessed to her husband..lol.
I was counseled for not shaving when I was sick. My parents ended up having the elders get on me for that one even though I was too sick to go to the meetings back for a couple weeks back in high school. Then again there was the time an elder called my house because he saw me walking out of a store with something in my hand that he couldn't see and thought that I was carrying a pack of cigarettes. He felt foolish when I told him it was some candy that I got because my sugar was low (I'm diabetic). Its probally best I didn't tell him the truth that it was really a pack of condems.
Another one I really thing is hilarious now is the time they were trying to convince me that one of my friends was a bad influence because he had a goatee and tatoos. They showed me the scripture that says you're not supposed to get tatoos. What they left out was the scripture right before that one that says don't shave your beard. Assholes.
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
howdy everyone,.
i am happy to announce the opening of my own apostate shopping site.
i believe it's the first of its kind on the internet.
For all that make some shirts to go against those damned god quotes. You know you've seen them on christian shirts, bumper stickers, and billboards. They are always white letters on a plain black background that say something like "What part of "thou shalt not" don't you understand? - God" or "Don't make me come down there. - God." Make one that says "Stop putting words in my mouth. - God" or even better "I don't exist. - God"
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
i just recieved this in an email message today.
silentlambs.
"i heard something about the arrangement of your assassination.
How is this a death threat? He's not threatening to kill anyone. Its just some loser who is trying to scare you. You're letting him win by just posting about it here and even more so if you call the police. Write him back asking if the magic bunnies are the ones that are going to kill you.
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
....white star liner capt.
edward j. smith of the titanic (see 1983 yearbook - australian section).
note: they've recorded the year wrong.. also van morrison was a jw in his younger years.. from ak
Sad to say but Prince has become one also. Larry Grahm converted him. I actually saw the tour where Prince first took Larry Grahm out on the road with him. Almost everyone there thought that even musically Grahm was wasting Prince away. Little did they know exactly how much damage he was doing. If I really wanted to I could go see Prince again in a few weeks but I don't want to just because I've seen and heard how much he's changed now it not for the better.
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
david wheeler read about the impending auction: two pieces from the willamette meteorite, a 151/2-ton rock considered sacred by an indian tribe but ensconced in a new york museum for decades, were to be sold off.
he thought maybe he could offer a little healing.
wheeler, an oregon chiropractor, paid $3,375 for a thumbnail-sized chip of the colossal meteorite and is donating it to the tribe.
Oh yes, on a side note to this story, a group of investors bought a larger piece of this meteorite at the same auction. I got an email from one of them today saying that they plan to cut their piece and donate some of it to the tribe but are running into complications with it because the tribe doesn't want them to cut it but to donate all of it to them. Sure, they won't pay a reduced amount to purchase all of it because that would only contribute to the commercialization but they expect someone else (or in this case a group) to pay a higher price and then when the group offers a donation to the tribe of part of the slice they get upset because they want all of it. Is it just me or does anyone else think this is just a tad greedy?
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
david wheeler read about the impending auction: two pieces from the willamette meteorite, a 151/2-ton rock considered sacred by an indian tribe but ensconced in a new york museum for decades, were to be sold off.
he thought maybe he could offer a little healing.
wheeler, an oregon chiropractor, paid $3,375 for a thumbnail-sized chip of the colossal meteorite and is donating it to the tribe.
First of all, I know the person who sold the meteorite as well as the some of the people who bought the larger piece that was auctioned off (I've even helped the lead investor work on his meteorite website) so I do know a bit more about this situation than most people here probally do. Ok, now that I've got that out of the way......
This is one of the biggest loads of crap I've ever heard of. First of all, the history of this meteorite is that it some guy found it on a steel company's land, dragged it to his land, charged people to see it, steel company figured out that it was stolen, sued to get it back, won, sold it to a wealthy lady in New York who donated it to the museum in NYC. Its been there since the 1920's. The indians didn't say anything what so ever until the 90's when they sued the museum to get ownership of it. I've heard that they would have chopped some of it up themselves to sell it. Daryll Pitt (the gentleman who sold the meteorite) had offered to sell it the tribe for a very reduced price to the tribe but they refused to do so because they said that they didn't want to contribute to the "commercialization of their herritage" (their words, not mine). No, they wanted the meteorite for free. While they may not have the meteorite on their land anymore they have access to the meteorite at anytime they want for their ceremonies and the AMNH fund college scholarships for multiple young people of the tribe. Basically, the indians are just being greedy here. When the meteorite was taken from Oregon quite a while back they didn't say anything about it. They're mainly bitching and whining about who gets to use the nice big rock for tourism.
As for how the AMNH could do something like this is easy. Large institutions like that will trade with private individuals all the time. Hell, I've got a slice of an extremely rare meteorite that I got from the Smithsonian. Why do they do this? They have large collections of meteorites, most of which are rather uninteresting scientifically and don't have much scientific value (much like this meteorite). Not only do most museums display their meteorite collection they also do research on them. In this case the museum had cut a large piece of the meteorite off so that they could mount it on a very nice display. Really not that big of a deal at all as meteorites are cut all the time. So, the museum had a decent sized chunk of a meteorite that really doesn't have that much scientific value (its a fairly common type of iron meteorite that's very weathered) when a new meteorite from Mars was discovered in the Los Angeles area that's fairly unique and many people were falling over each other to get too (I've got about 10 milligrams of it myself). Daryll obtained a good sized piece of the Mars rock from the finder and instead of selling all of it on the open market to private collectors (who would easily pay $2,500 a gram) he went around to various museums of the world and traded with them. What did he trade? His valuable (both commercially and especially scientifically) Mars rock in exchange for rather boring scientifically speaking but incredibly valuable commercially that various museums would be happy to trade away. Basically, the museum in NYC got an important Mars rock that it has performed extensive research on in exchange for a rather boring rock that they've already done just anything they would want to do to. Daryll suplies valuable research material to the scientific community (which he could have very easily sold to private collectors) and obtains a scientifically boring rock that some rather greedy indians happen to attach some scientific value to. He's a pretty good guy who just happens to get crap from greedy indians.
What I find really interesting is the fact that they make such a big fuss about this well known meteorite but really haven't said anything at all about the much much much more interesting and scientifically valuable one that was found in one of their burial grounds and has since been sliced up and distributed around the world (including a small piece in my living room).
By the way, if anyone wants some of the rusted fragments of the meteorite that started this discussion let me know as I can get them for you. Hell, if you want any other meteorites let me know too! Chances are I can get them one way or another.
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
i have to ask this although i have a feeling i dont really want to read the responses but anyway.
i talked to several people here today who dont believe there is a god at all.
this is disturbing!
There's this high school kid that is on another, totally unrelated, email list that I belong to. Someone started bringing up religion (really stupid thing to do in that group) and the high school kid made the best point I've ever heard concerning god and religion. I don't remember exactly how he said it but it was something along the lines of thousands of years ago people didn't know as much about the world that surrounds them so they attributed everything to god and made all kinds of claims and stories to support that belief. Thousands of years later we know why things are the way they are and can explain it scientifically so really god and religion have out grown their usefulness. As far as not being able to function without knowing that there's a purpose and that god will always be there for you I find it the exact opposite. Personally, I find it extremely comforting to know the purpose in life is whatever I want it to be. Personally, I feel luckier that we were able to evolve to the state that we are in now out of all the possible things that have happened in the billions of years that the universe has been here.
Someone said something earlier about when major life changes happen that's when people will really find whatever form of god they believe in. Not true. Whenever my wife got pregnant is exactly when I started to not believe in god and religion. I wanted to be able to show my son what I think is the best way to believe so I started looking at my beliefs and realized what a load of crap it ALL is. I must say, my life has actually been much better now that I've thrown all that away.
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
can anyone tell me more about what the blue envelopes that are used when sending judicial committee reports to bethel look like?
a scanned image would be good too.
some comments in a previous thread reeeeeeeeaaaaaly make me want to get my hands on some.. thanks to whoever writes back!.
ofcmad,
Well, if I could get enough information on this we may just find out!
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
ok, you get hold of some of the special blue envelopes the.
society uses for judicial mail from elders.. you get some df/da forms and fill them out perfectly - with.
the name of your least favorite elder as the favored party.
What address would you send these envelopes to? Just out of curiosity of course.....
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
